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Post by finsobruce on Jan 8, 2021 10:02:36 GMT
There's no need to breach the boundary between North Kesteven and East Lindsey (or indeed between South Kesteven and South Holland) Fair point, I chose the way I did it because I wanted to keep Boston whole and put Lincoln/North Hykeham together Did you have more than a feeling about Boston? |
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Post by YL on Jan 8, 2021 12:33:50 GMT
OK, so it is possible to do Notts without crossing the city/county boundary. This doesn't mean it should be done.
Defects of the current map I have include:
- Gotham in Broxtowe. (I know the BCE proposed this once but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.)
- Warsop split between Newark and Mansfield
- One Retford ward in the Newark seat
- A weird seat stretching from Hucknall round to Bingham via Southwell
(I also have a map with Beeston in a Nottingham seat. I think it's better than the one described above, but I'm not very proud of it. The Nottingham seats are very awkward to get within range with Beeston included.)
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 8, 2021 13:00:05 GMT
It requires almost a complete redrawing - can't say I'm all that happy with this  |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jan 8, 2021 13:01:24 GMT
A Nottinghamshire outtake, featuring splits of both Beeston and Hucknall:  1 Bassetlaw 75809 Yes 2 Sherwood 74260 Yes 3 Mansfield 75289 Yes 4 Newark 75020 Yes 5 West Bridgford 75280 Yes 6 Gedling 75795 Yes 7 Ashfield 74694 Yes 8 Broxtowe 73378 Yes 9 Nottingham West 74602 Yes 10 Nottingham North 74184 Yes 11 Nottingham East 75327 Yes |
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Post by emidsanorak on Jan 8, 2021 13:33:47 GMT
The key to Nottinghamshire is to treat the City and Broxtowe as a sub-region for four seats.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 13:48:53 GMT
I've had a stab at Derbyshire, not that difficult but I have completely redrawn Derby
High Peak, Bolsover, NE Derbys, Amber Valley, Chesterfield, Erewash all unchanged
1. Derbyshire Dales - loses SW Parishes (Amber Valley district), gains Hatton and Hilton (S Derbys). Electorate 71,435, notionally safe Consevative
2. Mid Derbyshire - gains SW Parishes (Amber Valley), Darley (Derby), loses Spondon (Derby). Electorate 70,925, notionally safe Conservative
3. South Derbyshire - loses Hatton, Hilton (S Derbys). Electorate 71,202, notionally safe Conservative
4. Derby South West - the Derby City wards of Normanton, Littleover, Blagreaves, Mickleover, Mackworth, Abbey, Arboretum. Electorate 71,611, notionally marginal Labour
5. Derby East - the Derby City wards of Derwent, Chaddesden, Alvaston, Chellaston, Boulton, Sinfin, Spondon. Electorate 71,492, notionally marginal Conservative
Con 9 (-) Lab 2 (-)
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Post by YL on Jan 8, 2021 13:59:59 GMT
The key to Nottinghamshire is to treat the City and Broxtowe as a sub-region for four seats. Aha, it works better if you put Kimberley/Nuthall/Watnall in a Nottingham seat, rather than Beeston.  30. Rushcliffe 31. Newark 32. Broxtowe 33. Gedling 34. Ashfield (including a bite out of Mansfield; problems in this area seem unavoidable) 35. Mansfield 36. Sherwood 37. Bassetlaw 38. Nottingham West & Kimberley 39. Nottingham South 40. Nottingham East (numbers not on the map for the last three) I might as well also post the one which treats the city separately, though I doubt anyone will take it seriously. Someone might be able to improve on it.  30. Rushcliffe 31. Newark 32. Broxtowe 33. Gedling 34. Ashfield 35. Mansfield (this time with an Ashfield ward) 36. Southwell 37. Bassetlaw 38. Nottingham North 39. Nottingham West 40. Nottingham East (numbers not on the map for the last three) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 14:28:07 GMT
Nottinghamshire
1. Nottingham, Bridford - the Nottingham wards of Clifton E, Clifton W, Dales, Castle, Meadows; the Rushcliffe wards of Musters, compton Acres, Lutterell, Edwalton, Abbey, Gamston South, Trent Bridge, Lady Bay. Electorate 74,747, notionally reasonably safe Labour
2. Nottingham, Beeston - the Beeston wards and Bramcote from Broxtowe, plus the Nottingham wards of Bilborough, Radford, Woollaton W, Lenton & Woolaton E. Electorate 71,583, notionally safe Labour
3. Nottingham, Hucknall - the Hucknall wards plus Annesley from Ashfield, and the Nottingham wards of Basford, Abbey, Bullwell, Bullwell Forest. Electorate 76,082, notionally marginal Labour
4. Nottingham Central - the Nottingham wards of Bestwood, Sherwood, Berridge, Hyson Green and Arboretum, St Ann's, Mapperley Leen Valley. Electorate 75,602, notionally very safe Labour
5. Mansfield - loses Ransom Wood. Electorate 75,436, notionally safe Conservative
6. Retford & Worksop - the current Bassetlaw minus Beckingham, Sturton. Electorate 75,488, notionally safe Conservative
7. Gedling - realigned with ward boundaries. Electorate 73,482, notionally marginal Conservative
8. Stapleford & Eastwood - the remainder of Broxtowe district plus Underwood, Jacksdale, Selston from Ashfield
9. Rushcliffe - the remainder of Rushcliffe district plus Farndon, Trent, Southwell from N&S. Electorate 74,096, notionally safe Conservative
10. Sutton-in-Ashfield - the remainder of Ashfield and Gedling districts, plus Ransom Wood from Mansfield, Rainwood South, Dover Beck, Lowdham from N&S. Electorate 77,024, notionally safe Conservative
11. Newark - whatever's left. Electorate 76,503, notionally safe Conservative
Con 7 (-1) Lab 4 (+1)
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Post by greenhert on Jan 8, 2021 14:47:27 GMT
Good to hear that more than one of us has been able to recreate the old Melton constituency, whose boundaries included "the Rural District of Barrow-upon-Soar".
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Post by greenhert on Jan 8, 2021 17:16:12 GMT
Here is what I came up with for Nottinghamshire:
1. Nottingham East (75,327): As Nottingham East (adjusted for new ward boundaries) plus Castle ward.
2. Nottingham North (76,008): As Nottingham North plus Bestwood St Albans and Calverton wards in Gedling (awful, but necessary to get Sherwood's successor seat into quota).
3. Nottingham West (70,661): Succeeds Nottingham South and contains the wards of: Clifton East, Clifton West, Leen Valley, Lenton & Wollaton West, Meadows, Radford, and Wollaton West.
4. Beeston (74,160): A renamed Broxtowe constituency (the constituency and borough are not coterminous).
5. Ashfield & Eastwood (73,215): As Ashfield minus Skegby ward; renamed to reflect the fact Eastwood is not in the Ashfield district.
6. Mansfield (73,264): Loses Warsop wards, gains Skegby ward in the Ashfield district.
7. Worksop & Retford (75,809): Succeeds Bassetlaw, loses Sturton and Welbeck wards.
8. Warsop, Rainworth & Hucknall (75,196): Succeeds Sherwood in practice. Consists of the Warsop wards of Mansfield (i.e. Market Warsop, Meden, Netherfield, and Warsop Carrs), the wards of Bilsthorpe, Boughton, Edwinstowe & Clipton, Farnsfield, Ollerton, Rainworth North & Rufford and Rainworth South & Blixworth within the Newark & Sherwood district, the Newstead Abbey ward in the borough of Gedling, and the Hucknall wards of the Ashfield district.
9. Newark (76,442): Adds in Sturton and Welbeck wards in the Bassetlaw district, loses Dover Beck and Lowdham wards in the Newark & Sherwood district.
10. Carlton & Arnold (76,585): Succeeds Gedling.
11. West Bridgford (76,171): A renamed Rushcliffe constituency (and not coterminous with the borough of Rushcliffe). Adds Dumbles ward in Gedling and Dover Beck and Lowham wards in Newark & Sherwood.
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Post by greenhert on Jan 8, 2021 17:32:56 GMT
Lincolnshire (and Rutland) is far easier to redraw:
1. Rutland & Stamford (new seat, or rather a resurrected seat that is new in the context of the 2023 review; 70,895): Contains all of Rutland, and in the South Kesteven district all the Stamford wards, Casewick, Castle, Deeping St James, Dole Wood, Glen, Isaac Newton, and Market and West Deeping.
2. Grantham (72,071): Succeeds Grantham & Stamford. Contains all the South Kesteven wards not in Rutland & Stamford plus Heckington Rural and Ostournby wards in the North Kesteven district.
3. Sleaford & North Hykeham (73,380): Contains all North Kesteven wards except Bracebridge Heath & Waddington East, Heckington Rural, Ostournby, and Skellingthorpe.
4. Lincoln (74,128): Unchanged.
5. Gainsborough (74,750): Loses Wragby ward and thus becomes coterminous with the West Lindsey district.
6. Spalding (71,363): Succeeds South Holland & The Deepings. Contains all the South Holland district plus the wards of Five Village and Swineshead & Holland Fen in the borough of Boston.
7. Boston & Skegness (72,409): Loses Five Village and Swineshead & Holland Fen wards, gains Coningsby & mareham and Halton Holgate wards in the East Lindsey district.
8. Louth & Horncastle (73,062): Contains all East Lindsey wards not in Boston & Skegness, including the Wragby ward gained from Gainsborough.
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Post by lancastrian on Jan 8, 2021 17:35:05 GMT
The key to Nottinghamshire is to treat the City and Broxtowe as a sub-region for four seats. Aha, it works better if you put Kimberley/Nuthall/Watnall in a Nottingham seat, rather than Beeston.  30. Rushcliffe 31. Newark 32. Broxtowe 33. Gedling 34. Ashfield (including a bite out of Mansfield; problems in this area seem unavoidable) 35. Mansfield 36. Sherwood 37. Bassetlaw 38. Nottingham West & Kimberley 39. Nottingham South 40. Nottingham East (numbers not on the map for the last three) I've got the same as you outside the Nottingham/Broxtowe group. For that I've got Nottingham North (77,004): current constituency gains Berridge Nottingham East (75,544): loses Berridge, gains Radford and Castle Nottingham South (72,453): loses Radford, Castle, gains Beeston North, Central and Rylands Broxtowe (73,378): remainder of Broxtowe district Obviously this splits Beeston, but it is much closer to minimum change in the city. If we consider crossing the Broxtowe/Ashfield boundary and allow an orphan ward, moving another Mansfield ward to Ashfield and one Ashfield ward to Broxtowe allows Beeston to be united in Nottingham South. |
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Post by lancastrian on Jan 8, 2021 19:26:30 GMT
Nottinghamshire without the city, minimum change.
Broxtowe (76187): As now (all seats realigned to new wards) plus Gotham
Rushcliffe (76449): Adds East Bridgford, loses Gotham
Bassetlaw (75870): Gains East Markham. Loses Clayworth, Beckingham, Sturton
Newark (76653): Current seat plus Clayworth, Beckingham, Sturton and Farnsfield (from Sherwood), loses East Bridgford, East Markham, Dover Beck, Lowdham
Gedling (76585): Gains Dover Beck, Lowdham, Dumbles. Loses Bestwood St Albans
Sherwood (77001): Gains Bestwood St Albans, plus Oak Tree, Ransom Wood from Mansfield. Loses Dumbles and Farnsfield.
Mansfield (76334): As above, plus Sutton Junction and Harlow Wood from Ashfield.
Ashfield (75682): Loses Sutton Junction and Harlow Wood.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 8, 2021 22:28:34 GMT
Falling very much into the "Well, it's an option..." box rather than the "this is actually a good idea" box, but here's a plan that gives four seats to Nottingham and Broxtowe, leaves Rushcliffe and Gedling unchanged, minimises change to Bassetlaw and Newark... and then chops Mansfield in half:  Bassetlaw (75809) Dukeries and Mansfield East (76725) Sutton and Mansfield West (75772) Kirkby and Hucknall (76667) Newark (70763) Rushcliffe (76171) Gedling (73482) Nottingham East (76823) Nottingham West (75726) Nottingham South (73369) Broxtowe (72461) |
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Post by YL on Jan 9, 2021 10:32:09 GMT
Nottinghamshire 1. Nottingham, Bridford - the Nottingham wards of Clifton E, Clifton W, Dales, Castle, Meadows; the Rushcliffe wards of Musters, compton Acres, Lutterell, Edwalton, Abbey, Gamston South, Trent Bridge, Lady Bay. Electorate 74,747, notionally reasonably safe Labour 2. Nottingham, Beeston - the Beeston wards and Bramcote from Broxtowe, plus the Nottingham wards of Bilborough, Radford, Woollaton W, Lenton & Woolaton E. Electorate 71,583, notionally safe Labour 3. Nottingham, Hucknall - the Hucknall wards plus Annesley from Ashfield, and the Nottingham wards of Basford, Abbey, Bullwell, Bullwell Forest. Electorate 76,082, notionally marginal Labour 4. Nottingham Central - the Nottingham wards of Bestwood, Sherwood, Berridge, Hyson Green and Arboretum, St Ann's, Mapperley Leen Valley. Electorate 75,602, notionally very safe Labour 5. Mansfield - loses Ransom Wood. Electorate 75,436, notionally safe Conservative 6. Retford & Worksop - the current Bassetlaw minus Beckingham, Sturton. Electorate 75,488, notionally safe Conservative 7. Gedling - realigned with ward boundaries. Electorate 73,482, notionally marginal Conservative 8. Stapleford & Eastwood - the remainder of Broxtowe district plus Underwood, Jacksdale, Selston from Ashfield 9. Rushcliffe - the remainder of Rushcliffe district plus Farndon, Trent, Southwell from N&S. Electorate 74,096, notionally safe Conservative 10. Sutton-in-Ashfield - the remainder of Ashfield and Gedling districts, plus Ransom Wood from Mansfield, Rainwood South, Dover Beck, Lowdham from N&S. Electorate 77,024, notionally safe Conservative 11. Newark - whatever's left. Electorate 76,503, notionally safe Conservative Con 7 (-1) Lab 4 (+1) I have two somewhat contradictory reactions to this sort of plan. One voice says “surely a city the size of Nottingham deserves more than one seat entirely to itself” and therefore doesn’t like it only having one which doesn’t cross the boundary, but then another voice counters that the city boundary is an anachronism and that most of the places you’ve added in are really part of Nottingham. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 9, 2021 10:52:09 GMT
Nottinghamshire 1. Nottingham, Bridford - the Nottingham wards of Clifton E, Clifton W, Dales, Castle, Meadows; the Rushcliffe wards of Musters, compton Acres, Lutterell, Edwalton, Abbey, Gamston South, Trent Bridge, Lady Bay. Electorate 74,747, notionally reasonably safe Labour 2. Nottingham, Beeston - the Beeston wards and Bramcote from Broxtowe, plus the Nottingham wards of Bilborough, Radford, Woollaton W, Lenton & Woolaton E. Electorate 71,583, notionally safe Labour 3. Nottingham, Hucknall - the Hucknall wards plus Annesley from Ashfield, and the Nottingham wards of Basford, Abbey, Bullwell, Bullwell Forest. Electorate 76,082, notionally marginal Labour 4. Nottingham Central - the Nottingham wards of Bestwood, Sherwood, Berridge, Hyson Green and Arboretum, St Ann's, Mapperley Leen Valley. Electorate 75,602, notionally very safe Labour 5. Mansfield - loses Ransom Wood. Electorate 75,436, notionally safe Conservative 6. Retford & Worksop - the current Bassetlaw minus Beckingham, Sturton. Electorate 75,488, notionally safe Conservative 7. Gedling - realigned with ward boundaries. Electorate 73,482, notionally marginal Conservative 8. Stapleford & Eastwood - the remainder of Broxtowe district plus Underwood, Jacksdale, Selston from Ashfield 9. Rushcliffe - the remainder of Rushcliffe district plus Farndon, Trent, Southwell from N&S. Electorate 74,096, notionally safe Conservative 10. Sutton-in-Ashfield - the remainder of Ashfield and Gedling districts, plus Ransom Wood from Mansfield, Rainwood South, Dover Beck, Lowdham from N&S. Electorate 77,024, notionally safe Conservative 11. Newark - whatever's left. Electorate 76,503, notionally safe Conservative Con 7 (-1) Lab 4 (+1) I have two somewhat contradictory reactions to this sort of plan. One voice says “surely a city the size of Nottingham deserves more than one seat entirely to itself” and therefore doesn’t like it only having one which doesn’t cross the boundary, but then another voice counters that the city boundary is an anachronism and that most of the places you’ve added in are really part of Nottingham. If you were to expand Nottingham city to encompass its natural Metro area (as this plan more or less envisages) - that is to say the current Gedling constituency (less Trent Valley), West Bridgford, Beeston/Chilwell/Toton/Bramcote/Stapleford from Broxtowe (arguably also Nuttall East & Strelley) it would be exactly the right size for five seats - an electorate of c. 370k which averages out at 74k per seat. Similarly if you expand Leicester to include Oadby & Wigston, Braunstone and Glenfields from Blaby and Birstall and Thurmaston from Charnwood, it would be spot on for four quotas (electorate of c. 300k = 4x 75k) |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 9, 2021 11:17:03 GMT
Although you can do three seats entirely within Leicester and I suspect that's what the BCE will go for, Leicester West taking in Braunstone isn't a bad shout. Something like this:  Leicester West 76211 Leicester North 76576 Leicester South 77012 (unchanged) Leicester South East 74880 Harborough 75080 Melton & Syston 72461 Loughborough 74648 Blaby 75198 Hinckley & Ibstock 76616 NW Leicestershire 75867 Names are obvious pitchfork bait, but frankly more accurate than what you'd get in reality. The bits I've nicked from other people's plans should be fairly obvious. I am rather fond on the boundary between the Loughborough and Melton seats along the Soar. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 9, 2021 12:26:25 GMT
ALternatively you can also include Glenfield and not have to bring in essentially rural areas (of course as you say the BCE won't go for this - its just a bit of fun)  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 15:14:19 GMT
I have two somewhat contradictory reactions to this sort of plan. One voice says “surely a city the size of Nottingham deserves more than one seat entirely to itself” and therefore doesn’t like it only having one which doesn’t cross the boundary, but then another voice counters that the city boundary is an anachronism and that most of the places you’ve added in are really part of Nottingham. If you were to expand Nottingham city to encompass its natural Metro area (as this plan more or less envisages) - that is to say the current Gedling constituency (less Trent Valley), West Bridgford, Beeston/Chilwell/Toton/Bramcote/Stapleford from Broxtowe (arguably also Nuttall East & Strelley) it would be exactly the right size for five seats - an electorate of c. 370k which averages out at 74k per seat. Similarly if you expand Leicester to include Oadby & Wigston, Braunstone and Glenfields from Blaby and Birstall and Thurmaston from Charnwood, it would be spot on for four quotas (electorate of c. 300k = 4x 75k) I might have a closer look at that when I come to do my "Labourmander" version |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 9, 2021 20:06:30 GMT
Lincolnshire (and Rutland) is far easier to redraw: 1. Rutland & Stamford (new seat, or rather a resurrected seat that is new in the context of the 2023 review; 70,895): Contains all of Rutland, and in the South Kesteven district all the Stamford wards, Casewick, Castle, Deeping St James, Dole Wood, Glen, Isaac Newton, and Market and West Deeping. 2. Grantham (72,071): Succeeds Grantham & Stamford. Contains all the South Kesteven wards not in Rutland & Stamford plus Heckington Rural and Ostournby wards in the North Kesteven district. 3. Sleaford & North Hykeham (73,380): Contains all North Kesteven wards except Bracebridge Heath & Waddington East, Heckington Rural, Ostournby, and Skellingthorpe. 4. Lincoln (74,128): Unchanged. 5. Gainsborough (74,750): Loses Wragby ward and thus becomes coterminous with the West Lindsey district. 6. Spalding (71,363): Succeeds South Holland & The Deepings. Contains all the South Holland district plus the wards of Five Village and Swineshead & Holland Fen in the borough of Boston. 7. Boston & Skegness (72,409): Loses Five Village and Swineshead & Holland Fen wards, gains Coningsby & mareham and Halton Holgate wards in the East Lindsey district. 8. Louth & Horncastle (73,062): Contains all East Lindsey wards not in Boston & Skegness, including the Wragby ward gained from Gainsborough. Just a reminder that if you're going to have a seat that is the entirety of South Holland district plus a couple of wards from adjacent bits of Boston Borough, just calling it South Holland is fine, as all the wards are in the southern part of Holland (with Northern Holland all being in the Boston & Skeg seat). |
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