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Post by swindonlad on Jun 8, 2021 4:44:34 GMT
Cirencester & North Wiltshire... I could see this working, Cirencester is better connected to Malmesbury and Cricklade than most of the northern parts of the current Cotswolds constituency. In addition Malmesbury & Tetbury share a telephone dialling code, which was more impressive before the addition of the number 1, 01666.
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Post by swindonlad on Jun 8, 2021 5:00:22 GMT
Before I give my thoughts on Gloucestershire and Bristol: what the fuck have they done to Swindon??? Swindon is one of their better efforts. They've kept all the town in the two town seats and taken out the southern rural wards. I thought that Swindon South (finally, the names are changing to what everyone refers to them as) would lose 1 of these, but didn't see both As for Swindon North, as expected, 2 split wards moved fully into South, easy and clear solution The odd shape is due to Chiseldon and Lawn having it's northern part in urban Swindon and would have been shot to pieces very easily Politically; North, no real change, the 2 losses will balance each other out, if anything, very marginal benefit to the Conservatives South, significant swing to Labour as the 2 wards lost are significant Conservative majorities.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 8, 2021 8:01:30 GMT
Bath increases in size and has a northern rural hinterland.
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Post by PeopleLikeWe on Jun 8, 2021 8:39:13 GMT
Happy with Weston-super-Mare. It's just the whole town + Worle and two rural areas of St George's and Wick St Lawrence and Hutton and locking.
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Post by nw12398 on Jun 8, 2021 9:01:12 GMT
Exmouth includes quite a lot of Exeter without any mention in the name. Presumably because "Exmouth and Exeter East" is a bit of a mouthful. In terms of boundaries the constituency is very reasonable IMO, but the name is ridiculous. "Exmouth and Exeter East" would probably be the most descriptive option. I would prefer "East Exe" or even "East of Exe" as the river's estuary is a very prominent boundary in the area. Unfortunately there's no catch-all name for the parts of the city that the constituency takes in.
If it must be called Exmouth, then I propose that Exeter Airport should be renamed "Exmouth Airport", and the Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital "Royal Devon and Exmouth Hospital"
Edit: There will be a lot of wrangling between parties to cement themselves as the main opposition to the Conservatives here. Labour and the Lib Dems will no doubt try, while independents may still try and the Greens will probably *think* they have a shot too. Once a main opposition party is clear, the seat will surely be Conservative leaning but it will be competitive. Perhaps "Labour gain Exmouth" will be the result that tips the count over 326 on Election Night 2029?
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Post by nw12398 on Jun 8, 2021 9:26:43 GMT
The large Dorset wards were always going to be a bit of an issue, although I think the Dorset constituencies are mostly satisfactory. The biggest issues are the boundaries between West Dorset and South Dorset, and West Dorset and North Dorset, IMO. The West/North issue is a more minor one, in which ideally the North constituency wouldn't have an extension so far west (e.g. swapping Cerne Abbas for places to the north, closer to Sherborne).
The West/South issue is down to the Weymouth ward (Upwey and Broadwey) that West Dorset takes in - it's a rather narrow ward and so West Dorset takes in a rather long 'sliver' of Weymouth. I think this is the first time that Weymouth hasn't entirely been in South Dorset. Ironically, the part of West Dorset which extends furthest in to Weymouth is an estate with roads named after Purbeck villages!
Ideally the 2 member Chickerell ward would be in West Dorset (most of it previous was), and Upwey and Broadwey in South. But the numbers probably don't quite work. I complain, but this may partly be my fault - during the Dorset ward boundary proposal stage, I suggested a (to avoid some issues with existing proposals) single member ward containing Chickerell and Nottington - two villages which are just about separate from Weymouth and are linked by a road, with Chickerell part of a parish of the same name and Nottington being part of Weymouth. The remaining part of Chickerell parish is contiguous with the Weymouth built-up area and so I drew something up which contained that area and an adjoining part of Weymouth. The commission did something very similar to my proposal, except with a two member ward instead of two single member wards. This lead to a narrow Upwey and Broadwey ward which is the issue here (I had an alternative suggestion for that, too - but it was less workable). The weird Upwey and Broadwey would have existed regardless of whether Chickerell was split in to two or not... but had Chickerell been split in to two, the Chickerell Village/Nottington ward would almost certainly have ended up in West Dorset instead of Upwey and Broadwey, leading to nicer boundaries.
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Post by andrewp on Jun 8, 2021 11:51:24 GMT
I don’t mind the Somerset proposals at all and they are better than some of my attempts.
Creating the Tiverton and Minehead seat will probably go down badly, but I don’t mind it. The Southern parts of West Somerset are closer to Tiverton and Bampton than they are to Bridgwater. Taking Bridgwater up to include Burnham and Highbridge doesn’t look great on the map, but along the A38 it’s not that bad. Taunton is ok. The Tiverton and Minehead seat takes the very edge of Taunton town in Norton Fitzwarren and Staplegrove but I think the boundary coming into Taunton somewhere is more or less unavoidable. The new seat is Glastonbury and Somerton really, and on most models the new seat was going to be around that area. It Could be called Mid Somerset. I think the Frome seat is better than the current Somerton and Frome.
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Post by European Lefty on Jun 8, 2021 12:12:36 GMT
Cirencester & North Wiltshire... I could see this working, Cirencester is better connected to Malmesbury and Cricklade than most of the northern parts of the current Cotswolds constituency. In addition Malmesbury & Tetbury share a telephone dialling code, which was more impressive before the addition of the number 1, 01666. Lots of people from northern Wiltshire attend Ciren college and there is a decent road link. Ciren & North Wilts is a much better seat than any Dursley, Thornbury & Yate monstrosity
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Post by Adrian on Jun 8, 2021 12:30:53 GMT
Elsewhere, it seems like they've been having fun with names. I support Bristol West becoming Bristol Central, and I'm glad to see the return of a Frome constituency after 70 years (on surprisingly similar borders to its marginal ancestor too). But "Wells and the Mendip Hills"? Or worse, "Keynsham and North East Somerset"? In both cases, they're clearly trying to add in an element to the name reflecting the fact the constituency now crosses district boundaries, but Wells already contained the Mendips and North East Somerset included Keynsham. It's a slap in the face for the 20,000 Gloucestershire folk included in the seat. "Keynsham" will do just fine.
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Post by iain on Jun 8, 2021 13:04:46 GMT
I could see this working, Cirencester is better connected to Malmesbury and Cricklade than most of the northern parts of the current Cotswolds constituency. In addition Malmesbury & Tetbury share a telephone dialling code, which was more impressive before the addition of the number 1, 01666. Lots of people from northern Wiltshire attend Ciren college and there is a decent road link. Ciren & North Wilts is a much better seat than any Dursley, Thornbury & Yate monstrosity The problem is not so much the Ciren seat (notwithstanding my dislike of crossing the county boundary) as the "Cotswolds" monstrosity which seems to have been created by someone prioritising retaining a winnable Labour seat in Stroud over any kind of sense.
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Post by YL on Jun 8, 2021 16:07:41 GMT
Which seats has Kingswood been redistributed into? I've looked at the maps and can't work it out. Mostly to Bristol North East (including Kingswood itself) and the absurdly named "Keynsham & North East Somerset" (Hanham, Oldland Common etc.) with smaller bits to Filton & Sadly Broke (basically Emersons Green) and Thornbury & Yate (Siston).
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Post by European Lefty on Jun 8, 2021 17:08:25 GMT
Lots of people from northern Wiltshire attend Ciren college and there is a decent road link. Ciren & North Wilts is a much better seat than any Dursley, Thornbury & Yate monstrosity The problem is not so much the Ciren seat (notwithstanding my dislike of crossing the county boundary) as the "Cotswolds" monstrosity which seems to have been created by someone prioritising retaining a winnable Labour seat in Stroud over any kind of sense. The basic idea is sound, including the suburbs between Gloucester and Cheltenham isn't ideal but I'm not sure how you resolve that without making a mess of Gloucester, Cheltenham and probably Tewkesbury. Other than that the only issue I see is Hardwicke which probably can be solved by shifting a few wards
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Post by iain on Jun 8, 2021 18:20:10 GMT
The solution is obvious, but you don’t like it because you want to be in a winnable seat for Labour.
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Post by froome on Jun 8, 2021 18:25:21 GMT
Elsewhere, it seems like they've been having fun with names. I support Bristol West becoming Bristol Central, and I'm glad to see the return of a Frome constituency after 70 years (on surprisingly similar borders to its marginal ancestor too). But "Wells and the Mendip Hills"? Or worse, "Keynsham and North East Somerset"? In both cases, they're clearly trying to add in an element to the name reflecting the fact the constituency now crosses district boundaries, but Wells already contained the Mendips and North East Somerset included Keynsham. It's a slap in the face for the 20,000 Gloucestershire folk included in the seat. "Keynsham" will do just fine. Keynsham and North East Somerset is a ridiculous name for this constituency, given that it loses much of N.E. Somerset, and the new constituency is itself pretty silly. The divide between it and Frome constituency makes no sense at all to me, particularly the area just south-west of Bath, where adjacent villages seem to be randomly divvied up between them. As far as a name is concerned, a better name would be Keynsham, Warmley and the Chew Valley, but I suppose that is too long, so maybe just Keynsham (anyone for Keynshamshire ).
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Post by European Lefty on Jun 8, 2021 18:29:49 GMT
The solution is obvious, but you don’t like it because you want to be in a winnable seat for Labour. Go on then, what is this "obvious" solution
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Post by johnloony on Jun 8, 2021 19:25:44 GMT
I notice that they have proposed the discombobulation of Devon East constituency, and thus the chances of Claire Wright to continue building up support to a winning position.
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Post by froome on Jun 8, 2021 19:56:23 GMT
Bath increases in size and has a northern rural hinterland. It's basically Bath plus all of the new Bathavon North ward, which includes not just Batheaston, Bathampton and Bathford but also the much smaller villages north of Bath. Politically it should make Bath slightly more favourable for the Conservatives, as historically that area has normally voted Conservative, but in 2019 the Lib Dems took all of the Bathavon North seats quite easily, and I suspect the general election result here would have been almost the same if held on this new boundary.
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Post by greenhert on Jun 8, 2021 20:16:09 GMT
I notice that they have proposed the discombobulation of Devon East constituency, and thus the chances of Claire Wright to continue building up support to a winning position. Exmouth (or Exeter East & Exmouth as it should be) takes in a clear majority of the East Devon constituency.
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Post by greenhert on Jun 8, 2021 20:27:18 GMT
The Somerset seats are a mess even though they are on the right lines; there is no need to cross the Avon/Somerset border twice and this should be avoided. As for the "Deverset" seat it should be based around Barnstaple, not Tiverton. It in fact only needs three Somerset wards: Dulverton & District, Exmoor, and Porlock & District within Somerset West & Taunton. Tiverton meanwhile can be linked with South Molton in the south of the North Devon district.
There is no need for a Keynsham-based seat to take in any part of South Gloucestershire a la Wandsyke, and this forces the abolition of Kingswood (although one of Kingswood or Filton & Bradley Stoke has to be split).
There is no need to add a considerable part of northern Wiltshire to a Cirencester based constituency; simply move some Cotswolds and Stroud wards into a Thornbury-based constituency.
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Post by European Lefty on Jun 8, 2021 20:32:21 GMT
The Somerset seats are a mess even though they are on the right lines; there is no need to cross the Avon/Somerset border twice and this should be avoided. As for the "Deverset" seat it should be based around Barnstaple, not Tiverton. It in fact only needs three Somerset wards: Dulverton & District, Exmoor, and Porlock & District within Somerset West & Taunton. Tiverton meanwhile can be linked with South Molton in the south of the North Devon district. There is no need for a Keynsham-based seat to take in any part of South Gloucestershire a la Wandsyke, and this forces the abolition of Kingswood (although one of Kingswood or Filton & Bradley Stoke has to be split). There is no need to add a considerable part of northern Wiltshire to a Cirencester based constituency; simply move some Cotswolds and Stroud wards into a Thornbury-based constituency. None of the Stroud wards work in a Thornbury/Yate seat and the wards and Ciren works much better with northern Wiltshire that Tetbury does with Bristol commuter belt
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