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Post by YL on Mar 25, 2021 9:19:26 GMT
I expected it would be possible but this is a case where I think minimum change as a criteria should trump the need to keep a ward intact where as in this case it is very obviously divided between two distinct areas (separate parishes, divided by a major highway etc) I don't disagree. (But the Commission might, and islington probably will.)
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Post by YL on Mar 25, 2021 9:28:04 GMT
Here goes. Vaguish descriptions only, but hopefully the seats will be reconstructable. No claim is made that this is a particularly good plan, but I believe everything is contiguous and within quota.
North Wiltshire (76,704). Everything in the Wiltshire UA from By Brook, Chippenham town, Lyneham northwards.
Devizes (75,995). All Calne and Corsham wards, Devizes (but not Rural West), Melksham (but not Without West), and an extension to the east to include Pewsey Vale West.
Marlborough & Old Sarum (75,522). Ridgeway from Swindon, together with the whole of the eastern border of Wiltshire, including the area immediately east of Salisbury, and west as far as Till Valley, Marlborough West and Pewsey.
Salisbury & Warminster (76,920). The town and the city in the name, including Laverstock, and the southern border of the county together with Wylye Valley to link them.
Trowbridge (75,520). The Trowbridge, Bradford on Avon and Westbury areas, together with a couple of leftover wards on the edges of Melksham and Devizes.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 25, 2021 9:30:33 GMT
I expected it would be possible but this is a case where I think minimum change as a criteria should trump the need to keep a ward intact where as in this case it is very obviously divided between two distinct areas (separate parishes, divided by a major highway etc) I don't disagree. (But the Commission might, and islington probably will.) I'm sure islington will. I live in hope that the Commission may see sense this time
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 25, 2021 16:04:32 GMT
I've been giving it some more thought and I think I would go with putting all of Bulford & Amesbury East in Devizes. It's a shame it splits Amesbury but not the end of the world. Alternatively you can put that ward in Salisbury and put Till Valley in Devizes thus avoiding any splitting of communities. Either of these is enabled by keeping Ridgeway in Swindon South and requires moving Blunsdon & Highworth into the Cotswold seat. That itself has some very minor drawbacks but also the very considerable advantage of maintaining in only slightly modified form the current North/South arrangements in Swindon and avoiding the very awkward East/West split that is otherwise required
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 25, 2021 16:18:27 GMT
Basically Wiltshire North 76,449 Chippenham 76,461 Devizes 74,688 Salisbury 74,769 Wiltshire SW 75,592
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Post by iainbhx on Mar 27, 2021 9:42:57 GMT
Wiltshire and Cornwall are both "prospective wards" areas, so you'll probably have to come back to these, though I don't see Cornwall causing any major difficulties. The fact you found that solution on the current wards makes me a little more optimistic that there will be a reasonable solution on the new ones. I think Cornwall can be done with a three ward change minimal solution. Constantine, Mawhan & Budock into St Ives St Agnes into Redruth and Camborne Fowey and Tywardreath into SE Cornwall.
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Post by islington on Mar 28, 2021 13:50:17 GMT
Basically Wiltshire North 76,449 Chippenham 76,461 Devizes 74,688 Salisbury 74,769 Wiltshire SW 75,592 Happy to go along with this.
If you want even less change you can leave Corsham town in Chippenham and add Winsley to N Wilts instead. But it's a terrible boundary around Bradford-on-Avon so I'd prefer Pete's plan above.
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Post by islington on Mar 28, 2021 14:00:16 GMT
Wiltshire and Cornwall are both "prospective wards" areas, so you'll probably have to come back to these, though I don't see Cornwall causing any major difficulties. The fact you found that solution on the current wards makes me a little more optimistic that there will be a reasonable solution on the new ones. I think Cornwall can be done with a three ward change minimal solution. Constantine, Mawhan & Budock into St Ives St Agnes into Redruth and Camborne Fowey and Tywardreath into SE Cornwall. Almost.
Fowey into SE Cornwall as suggested. St Agnes into Redruth but that's not enough so you need Perranporth as well.
St Ives is within range and can be left alone but once you've put both St Agnes and Perranporth into Redruth then I think there's a case for a further exchange of Constantine into Truro and St Newlyn E into Redruth - it's not necessary but it makes for a neater map.
Redruth and Camborne - 73587. Truro and Falmouth - 73307. St Austell and Newquay - 74583. South East Cornwall - 76443.
That leaves St Ives and N Cornwall unchanged except for ward realignment at 70107 and 70327 respectively.
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Post by YL on Mar 28, 2021 15:10:58 GMT
This is slightly different from what I described a few days ago for Wiltshire and Swindon, but still has that bad eastern seat: Swindon East (75,932). I agree this is radical, and Highworth is a little out of place, but I don't think it's worth an unnecessary county boundary crossing to avoid. (OK, technically Swindon is a separate county, which perhaps weakens the case.) Swindon West (76,921). Marlborough & Old Sarum (75,522). This is the part of the plan I'd most like to get rid of. Salisbury & Warminster (76,920). It's hard to get a seat at the top end of the legal range including Salisbury. Devizes & Westbury (76,756) Trowbridge (74,759) North Wiltshire (76,704) Certainly this is in the "needs improvement" category, but I'm not minded to give up and throw Highworth in with Gloucestershire yet. (And of course I wouldn't rule out a ward split or two if that can solve some of the problems.)
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Post by John Chanin on Mar 28, 2021 16:00:22 GMT
Congratulations on finding a solution in Wiltshire without ward splits. I failed to do so. That east Wilts seat is truly horrible though. I note others have go ne for splitting Amesbury East & Bulford. My solution was to split the Ludgershall South and Tidworth East ward, which is ripe for treating the two villages separately.
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Post by mattb on Mar 28, 2021 19:59:25 GMT
Here's my Wilts - still has an E Wilts without Devises, but perhaps marginally less horrible than YL's. I suspect one split ward enabling all the seats to remain largely unchanged is in fact the most likely outcome.
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Post by iainbhx on Mar 28, 2021 20:01:49 GMT
I also have a horrendous Wiltshire
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Post by iain on Mar 28, 2021 23:43:02 GMT
I can't be bothered with the rigmarole needed to upload an image on this site, but my horrible Wiltshire is: North Wiltshire - identical to YL's West Wiltshire - 3x Corsham, Box, Winsley, Holt, Hilperton, 2x Bradford on Avon, 7x Trowbridge, 3x Melksham proper, Melksham Without North Westbury - Melksham Without West, Southwick, Ethandune, 3x Westbury, 4x Warminster, Wylye Valley, Mere, Nadder Valley, Tisbury, Fovant, Till Valley, Lavingtons, Avon Valley, 2x Tidworth Salisbury - everything left SE of Westbury Devizes - the remainder of Wiltshire + Ridgeway in Swindon
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Post by Adrian on Mar 29, 2021 1:18:35 GMT
I agree with those who say for Wiltshire that we either split a ward or add Highworth to the Cotswold seat. Both of these options allow for good plans.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 29, 2021 10:37:08 GMT
Whilst I did eventually come up with a non-split solution for Wiltshire, I think a better answer would be either de-unitarisation or disenfranchisement of the county.
Aligning seats to the new divisions in Cornwall, on the other hand, took under five minutes and resulted in no name changes (or complete reorientation of a constituency carrying an existing name).
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Post by No Offence Alan on Mar 29, 2021 10:44:19 GMT
Whilst I did eventually come up with a non-split solution for Wiltshire, I think a better answer would be either de-unitarisation or disenfranchisement of the county. Aligning seats to the new divisions in Cornwall, on the other hand, took under five minutes and resulted in no name changes (or complete reorientation of a constituency carrying an existing name). "Frome and Trowbridge" is the answer. PS wanna buy a pitchfork?
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Post by Foggy on Mar 29, 2021 10:57:05 GMT
Whilst I did eventually come up with a non-split solution for Wiltshire, I think a better answer would be either de-unitarisation or disenfranchisement of the county. Aligning seats to the new divisions in Cornwall, on the other hand, took under five minutes and resulted in no name changes (or complete reorientation of a constituency carrying an existing name). "Frome and Trowbridge" is the answer. PS wanna buy a pitchfork? *triggered* If such a seat were to exist, you might as well call it Stourhead and Longleat. And just pretend that Somerset has no part in it at all.
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Post by yellowperil on Mar 29, 2021 11:47:07 GMT
"Frome and Trowbridge" is the answer. PS wanna buy a pitchfork? *triggered* If such a seat were to exist, you might as well call it Stourhead and Longleat. And just pretend that Somerset has no part in it at all. Stourhead and Longleat sounds like it ought to be a shoo-in for the Whigs.
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Post by andrewp on Mar 29, 2021 11:50:25 GMT
"Frome and Trowbridge" is the answer. PS wanna buy a pitchfork? *triggered* If such a seat were to exist, you might as well call it Stourhead and Longleat. And just pretend that Somerset has no part in it at all. I’m perhaps in the minority but, if done in the right place, I’m not that anti crossing county boundaries. When I have been to Frome, its clear that there is a feeling of being right at the far corner of the county and they slightly resent the County Town being 40 miles away. Frome has much closer links with Bath and with the West Wiltshire towns ( Trowbridge, Warminster and Westbury) than it does with Taunton, or indeed Somerton with which it shares a seat
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Post by YL on Mar 29, 2021 12:04:53 GMT
Here's another attempt at Wiltshire: North Wiltshire (76,028). Gains Marlborough and Ridgeway ward of Swindon, loses areas immediately north of Corsham and Chippenham. Chippenham (76,439). Loses Bradford on Avon, gains northern hinterland of Corsham and Chippenham. Trowbridge & Warminster (76,638). Successor to SW Wiltshire: gains Bradford on Avon, loses rural areas south of Warminster. Devizes (76,870). Loses Marlborough, gains much of the SW of the county. A large rural seat, but surely better than the bad eastern seat in my previous plan. Salisbury (74,686). Gains Durrington, loses some rural western areas. Swindon East and Swindon West as before.
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