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Post by mattb on Jan 30, 2021 13:08:08 GMT
Not a serious option but managed to find a way to draw 7 whole seats in Wilts+Swindon while retaining recognisably the existing pattern of seats - only moves just over 50,000 voters in Wilts (but unfortunately seems to require a complete reorientation in Swindon so almost the same number again there). And obviously the Trowbridge & Warminster seat has an element of compromise to make the numbers work (!)
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Post by johnloony on Feb 3, 2021 16:46:15 GMT
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Post by Foggy on Feb 4, 2021 7:35:07 GMT
The Forest of Dean looks unchanged in the above plan, whilst there's a decent stab at Dorset South too. It appears I'd be in a seat stretching northwards from the Huntspills then snaking up the coast to the edge of Portishead. Not too shabby!
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Post by Andrew_S on Feb 5, 2021 1:39:33 GMT
Does anyone know which ward in the South West has 1,628 electors? I've got that number of voters unallocated and can't see where it is on the map.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 5, 2021 3:41:47 GMT
Does anyone know which ward in the South West has 1,628 electors? I've got that number of voters unallocated and can't see where it is on the map. It's not a ward. Rather like the City of London trick, it's the entirety of the Isles of Scilly, because nobody would seriously propose splitting the authority. I didn't have that problem because I started the whole region by clicking a mainland division in St Ives constituency and then selecting the 'add all of current seat' option (or however Boundary Assistant terms it). If you didn't begin Cornwall that way, then I agree it's a very easy one to miss! I've certainly been left with one small missing ward when I thought I'd completed other regions.
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Post by Andrew_S on Feb 5, 2021 3:56:41 GMT
Does anyone know which ward in the South West has 1,628 electors? I've got that number of voters unallocated and can't see where it is on the map. It's not a ward. Rather like the City of London trick, it's the entirety of the Isles of Scilly, because nobody would seriously propose splitting the authority. I didn't have that problem because I started the whole region by clicking a mainland division in St Ives constituency and then selecting the 'add all of current seat' option (or however Boundary Assistant terms it). If you didn't begin Cornwall that way, then I agree it's a very easy one to miss! I've certainly been left with one small missing ward when I thought I'd completed other regions. Thanks. Tunnel vision again from me, trying to find it on the map of the mainland instead of thinking about the Scilly Isles.
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 5, 2021 12:43:47 GMT
I actually thought the Scilly Isles population was a bit higher than that.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 5, 2021 12:44:50 GMT
I actually thought the Scilly Isles population was a bit higher than that. That was silly of you.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 5, 2021 19:58:24 GMT
I actually thought the Scilly Isles population was a bit higher than that. It *is* a fair bit higher. The figure cited is the registered electorate. In an ordinary summer, the number of people physically present on the isles is larger still.
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Post by tiberius on Feb 20, 2021 10:58:18 GMT
Quite good that there is no need for a Devonwall seat anymore.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 20, 2021 12:07:12 GMT
Quite good that there is no need for a Devonwall seat anymore. Indeed it is and not only that but it is quite likely (pending updated electorates for Wiltshire) that no ceremonial county boundaries need to be crossed in this region at all (save that between Bristol and Gloucestershire, which doesn't really count). Likewise, apart from obviously Rutland, all the counties in the East Midlands can stand alone whereas previously there was an awful mess of cross-county constituencies proposed. Overall there's very few counties that need to be linked with another and in many cases where it is necessary they are not really violating county boundaries anyway (eg between East and West Sussex, North and West Yorkshire, Staffordshire and the West Midlands etc). It makes it all the more sad really that my own county is one of the few where a cross-county arrangement is unavoidable and even more so when it has to be paired with such a shithole of a county as Bedfordshire
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Post by islington on Feb 24, 2021 15:19:11 GMT
Somerset, seeking to address some of the comments made on my previous plan. In particular, no seat now extends into more than two authorities, and Mendip and S Somerset are treated together for three seats.
West Somerset - 73741. Yes, it cuts very tight to Bridgwater but the only way of avoiding this, or something similar in the Taunton area, is to extend the seat a huge way southwestwards. With apologies to some suggestions upthread, I feel there are worse things than a tight boundary around Bridgwater and one of them is putting Chard in the same seat as Minehead.
Taunton - 76049. The current seat less its western wards. Yeovil - 71523. The current seat lightly trimmed. Somerton and Glastonbury - 72443. Compared with Somerton & Frome, it loses Frome and picks up Glastonbury, Street and some fringe areas from Yeovil. Wells - 71076. The seat shuffles eastward to make room for the following (new) seat. In this form it comprises the whole of Mendip district (including Frome) apart from the Glastonbury/Street area. Mid Somerset - 74521. For want of a better name. The new seat, aka 'What was left over'. Weston super Mare - 70722. North Somerset - 73919. North East Somerset - 71802.
Bath - 75504.
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Post by islington on Feb 24, 2021 16:38:46 GMT
Bristol, Glos, Swindon.
Many of these seats are the same as others have posted so I'm not going through the whole list. I've included Swindon because I'm uneasy about the prospect of Wilts + Swindon = 7.27, whereas Wilts by itself = 5.15 should be feasible. Moreover, treating Blundon with a Glos seat means the rest of Swindon can maintain much the same north-south split as currently exists.
If Swindon were paired with Wilts, the Cirencester seat would then take Kemble ward from the blue seat for which I can't think of a better name than S Glos.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 24, 2021 17:22:12 GMT
Bristol, Glos, Swindon.
Many of these seats are the same as others have posted so I'm not going through the whole list. I've included Swindon because I'm uneasy about the prospect of Wilts + Swindon = 7.27, whereas Wilts by itself = 5.15 should be feasible. Moreover, treating Blundon with a Glos seat means the rest of Swindon can maintain much the same north-south split as currently exists. If Swindon were paired with Wilts, the Cirencester seat would then take Kemble ward from the blue seat for which I can't think of a better name than S Glos. I must admit when you mentioned 'pairing' Swindon with Gloucstershire in the past I was very sceptical (and probably expressed it). However my own provisional plans for Wiltshire have envisaged moving either Cricklade or Minety into the Cotswold/Cirencester seat, so I really can't see why Highworth would necessarily be a worse option. Esepcially, as you say, as it enables a retention of the North/South division of Swindon (where other plans forced an East/West split) and it avoids the need to put a Swindon ward into the mix with the remainder of the already overpopulated Wiltshire. So I think you could be onto something here. Your 'South Gloucestershire' seat btw is obviously 'Thornbury' or 'Thornbury & Dursley'. South Gloucestershire would be inappropraite because of the existence of a local authority of the name which mostly lies outside this constituency (and which most of this constituency lies outside)
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Post by YL on Feb 24, 2021 17:48:55 GMT
I believe islington's Somerset plan contains an exclave, which he will see if he changes the colour of either Bath or Somerton & Glastonbury in Boundary Assistant. Fortunately both seats will remain legal after fixing it.
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Post by islington on Feb 24, 2021 18:58:27 GMT
I believe islington 's Somerset plan contains an exclave, which he will see if he changes the colour of either Bath or Somerton & Glastonbury in Boundary Assistant. Fortunately both seats will remain legal after fixing it. Er, yes ... (ahem). I was wondering who would spot that (he says brazenly, convincing no one). The numbers should be Somerton & Glasto 74706, Bath 73241. As you say, both still legal and thanks for pointing it out. Regarding the comment by Pete Whitehead re the 'S Glos' seat, I'm not wedded to the name. 'Thornbury' has been used before and is fine by me.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 24, 2021 19:35:47 GMT
It makes it all the more sad really that my own county is one of the few where a cross-county arrangement is unavoidable and even more so when it has to be paired with such a shithole of a county as Bedfordshire If only kevinlarkin would give us England All Wards on the new numbers. Then someone might come up with a plan to combine Bedfordshire with Milton Keynes instead.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 24, 2021 19:41:24 GMT
It makes it all the more sad really that my own county is one of the few where a cross-county arrangement is unavoidable and even more so when it has to be paired with such a shithole of a county as Bedfordshire If only kevinlarkin would give us England All Wards on the new numbers. Then someone might come up with a plan to combine Bedfordshire with Milton Keynes instead. I've tried that actually (you don't need the England All wards thing, just have two regions open simultaneously) and it didn't work out as well as I thought it would. Not sure what you'd then do with Hertfordshire either - I suppose it would have to pair with Essex with something like a Stortford and Stansted seat
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Post by islington on Feb 24, 2021 19:43:23 GMT
Maybe I had better do the names and numbers to guard against any similar slip-up.
Bristol Central - 69915. Based on the current (mis-named) Bristol W, which is so hugely oversize that major surgery is unavoidable.
Bristol East - 74976. Actually more compact and with better connectivity than the current elongated version. Bristol South - 74856. The current seat less Southville. Bristol West - 77028. Compared with Bristol NW, loses Horfield and Lockleaze, gains the Clifton wards. Bristol North and Filton - 72694. This could exchange Hillfields and Eastville wards with Bristol E; a swap would result in a tidier-looking boundary but would weaken internal comms within this seat.
Kingswood -71994. Yate and Bradley Stoke - 73355. Thornbury - 76607. Or whatever you want to call it. There's a legal alternative in which the Yate area is switched into this seat with Pilning, Severn Vale, Thornbury, Charfield going the other way. In some ways it looks neater, and it keeps Yate and Chipping Sodbury together, but I got the sense from discussions upthread that Yate is felt to be a better fit with Bradley Stoke than with Dursley, Tetbury, &c. Stroud - 75766.
Gloucester - 75488.
Forest of Dean - 71510. Unchanged. Tewkesbury - 75604. Cheltenham - 75292. There's no really satisfactory ward to remove to get the current seat within range. I've gone for Springbank basically because of the possible candidates, it's farthest from the town centre.
Cirencester - 75909. Just so we can spend the next several years arguing about how to pronounce it.
Swindon North - 71525. Swindon South - 75079.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 24, 2021 21:35:55 GMT
Somerset, seeking to address some of the comments made on my previous plan. In particular, no seat now extends into more than two authorities, and Mendip and S Somerset are treated together for three seats.
Mid Somerset - 74521. For want of a better name. The new seat, aka 'What was left over'. Not a bad plan, but at least name this one after its largest settlement.
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