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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 22:42:39 GMT
Cumbrian seats:
Barrow and Furness (76,603) Carlisle (75,868) Morecambe and Lunesdale (76,040) Penrith and Solway (76,773) Westmorland and Lonsdale (72,322) Whitehaven and Workington (73,332)
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Post by Wisconsin on Nov 7, 2022 22:55:37 GMT
Where is this from?
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Post by nyx on Nov 7, 2022 23:01:54 GMT
boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/review2023/b65f7782-658b-4c4a-9cba-59c16c807f77/reports/E02794963%20BCE%20Revised%20Proposals%20A4%20report_NORTH%20WEST_Accessible.pdfI imagine these Cumbria proposals won't be the most popular for people from the Penrith area, but it's a sacrifice worth making for better constituencies elsewhere I'd say. The Commission seemed to be indicating that they didn't have a strong preference for it, and are open to going back to the initial proposals if the public asks for that. It's now no longer Farron's constituency being dismantled, but Penrith and the Border, which is split roughly between 40% going to Penrith and Solway, 30% to Carlisle, and 30% to Westmorland and Lonsdale. And Penrith and Solway is primarily the successor to the current Workington. I can't help but wonder if it's possible to keep the broad outline of these constituencies but swap a few wards round to neaten it up a bit.
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Post by Wisconsin on Nov 7, 2022 23:02:56 GMT
Thank you.
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Post by greenhert on Nov 7, 2022 23:27:46 GMT
Cumbrian seats: Barrow and Furness (76,603) Carlisle (75,868) Morecambe and Lunesdale (76,040) Penrith and Solway (76,773) Westmorland and Lonsdale (72,322) Whitehaven and Workington (73,332) Having looked at the map, Morecambe & Lunesdale is actually more similar to the pre-1983 seat of Morecambe & Lonsdale, and Westmorland & Lonsdale is here more similar to pre--1983 Westmorland, especially with its expansion to the historic border of Westmorland with Penrith.
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Post by bsjmcr on Nov 8, 2022 1:27:05 GMT
Who at the BCE is so obsessed with maintaining the ‘Eddisbury’ name and what do they have against Northwich (now Mid Cheshire!)? Probably the same person who’s decided to preserve the local authority names, e.g. Erewash, Bassetlaw, etc, I’m sure in the initial proposals they switched to town names, now they’ve switched back. Though Hyndburn was the same last time, but I’m sure Accrington was once (sensibly) proposed.
Am glad Leigh is intact now, but no change to Bury so Radcliffe remains split. Likewise Middleton.
Very strange for a significant chunk of ‘Manchester Central’ to not be Manchester (i.e. Failsworth). I’ve always thought that Failsworth/Droylsden and East Manchester wards should become Manchester East. I suspect if not a rejig at least a name change to occur - e.g. Manchester Central and Failsworth or Manchester Central and East (not that odd because there’s a Newcastle Central and West). But back to the wards - I’ve felt that if there was to be any non-Manchester ward to sit in Central it ought to be Trafford’s ‘Clifford’ or even Blackfriars/Trinity/Salford Quays (though an elongated name would be essential in that case!)
Gorton and Denton - not a bad concept and not unprecedented - I believe Denton was in M’cr Gorton once upon a time, but don’t think it was as badly shaped as this with Reddish taking a chunk out. At least the two are well joined by a major road, unlike the once-proposed Prestwich and Middleton.
I don’t know much about Wyre - does this mean that Lancaster and Wyre is now at risk for Labour? Or at least in a more even year, as I know most polls have Wallace losing Wyre & PN as it is.
Not the NW but can I just say I like how ‘Washington’ is now a constituency name in itself. Can the good people of Sunderland Council have that one declare first please just to confuse any Americans watching election night over there. “Lab hold Washington”.
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Post by Foggy on Nov 8, 2022 3:39:34 GMT
Who at the BCE is so obsessed with maintaining the ‘Eddisbury’ name and what do they have against Northwich (now Mid Cheshire!)? Probably the same person who’s decided to preserve the local authority names, e.g. Erewash, Bassetlaw, etc, I’m sure in the initial proposals they switched to town names, now they’ve switched back. Though Hyndburn was the same last time, but I’m sure Accrington was once (sensibly) proposed. Indeed. This is one region where it might be best for any final submission of mine to focus largely or solely on constituency nomenclature instead of urging any further tweaks to the actual proposed boundaries.
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Post by YL on Nov 8, 2022 8:12:15 GMT
I don’t know much about Wyre - does this mean that Lancaster and Wyre is now at risk for Labour? Or at least in a more even year, as I know most polls have Wallace losing Wyre & PN as it is. It would probably have voted Tory in 2019, but it's better for Labour than the original proposal as it now includes the Skerton wards (Lancaster north of the Lune) and should flip back to Labour on only a modest swing.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Nov 8, 2022 11:24:09 GMT
Whitehaven and Workington's northern boundary doesn't look very good - it effectively divides the Workington urban area between constituencies. Could easily be fixed by swapping Keswick and Crummock & Derwent Valley for Seaton & Northside and Flimby. There's potentially also room to swap areas to the west of Penrith with areas to the north-east, though I'm less sure whether that's an improvement or not.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 8, 2022 14:33:44 GMT
I agree, though generally these Cumbrian proposals are a big improvement on the originals.
There was a time when Millom and environs would have got out the pitchforks about any pairing with Barrow, but I think those days are gone for most people.
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Post by bjornhattan on Nov 8, 2022 14:44:46 GMT
I agree, though generally these Cumbrian proposals are a big improvement on the originals. There was a time when Millom and environs would have got out the pitchforks about any pairing with Barrow, but I think those days are gone for most people. It certainly looks much better. I just have one question: could there be any issues with pairing Workington and Whitehaven given the rivalry between the two towns?
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 8, 2022 14:50:22 GMT
Think that is also pretty much a historical artefact these days.
The effectively "new" constituency that contains Maryport/Cockermouth/Penrith/Wigton/Alston might be a Labour target in a good year for them btw? Despite the genepool Tory support in the rural areas, those towns must amount to a fair slice of the total electorate.
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Post by nyx on Nov 8, 2022 15:25:47 GMT
Worth noting that it would be easy enough for the Sedbergh and Kirkby Lonsdale ward to stay in Westmorland and Lonsdale. Morecambe and Lunesdale would still be in quota without that ward, whilst Westmorland and Lonsdale would be 162 electors over, which you can lose by marginally shifting the location of the split of the Broughton & Coniston ward (or a number of other ways). I think it'd be worth doing that, Sedbergh is surely better connected to Kendal than to Morecambe.
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Post by alexrichards on Nov 8, 2022 19:54:33 GMT
Who at the BCE is so obsessed with maintaining the ‘Eddisbury’ name and what do they have against Northwich (now Mid Cheshire!)? Probably the same person who’s decided to preserve the local authority names, e.g. Erewash, Bassetlaw, etc, I’m sure in the initial proposals they switched to town names, now they’ve switched back. Though Hyndburn was the same last time, but I’m sure Accrington was once (sensibly) proposed. Can't speak for the others, but down here in Erewash we were all of us of the opinion that 'Ilkeston and Long Eaton' was a stupid mouthful of a name and that we'd like the old one back thank you very much.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 8, 2022 20:04:48 GMT
Who at the BCE is so obsessed with maintaining the ‘Eddisbury’ name and what do they have against Northwich (now Mid Cheshire!)? Probably the same person who’s decided to preserve the local authority names, e.g. Erewash, Bassetlaw, etc, I’m sure in the initial proposals they switched to town names, now they’ve switched back. Though Hyndburn was the same last time, but I’m sure Accrington was once (sensibly) proposed. The good folk of Tarporley, Farndon, Malpas etc would regard being bundled into a seat named Northwich only slightly preferable to the suggestion of Winsford at a previous Review. That was one for the blazing pitchforks.
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 8, 2022 20:17:10 GMT
Who at the BCE is so obsessed with maintaining the ‘Eddisbury’ name and what do they have against Northwich (now Mid Cheshire!)? Probably the same person who’s decided to preserve the local authority names, e.g. Erewash, Bassetlaw, etc, I’m sure in the initial proposals they switched to town names, now they’ve switched back. Though Hyndburn was the same last time, but I’m sure Accrington was once (sensibly) proposed. Indeed. This is one region where it might be best for any final submission of mine to focus largely or solely on constituency nomenclature instead of urging any further tweaks to the actual proposed boundaries. Well Mid Cheshire (an entirely logical name) takes in Northwich, Winsford & Middlewich, all of whom have proper identities of their own.
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Post by bsjmcr on Nov 8, 2022 20:33:17 GMT
Indeed. This is one region where it might be best for any final submission of mine to focus largely or solely on constituency nomenclature instead of urging any further tweaks to the actual proposed boundaries. Well Mid Cheshire (an entirely logical name) takes in Northwich, Winsford & Middlewich, all of whom have proper identities of their own. It is a logical name, and on balance I prefer Mid Shire to Little Pidding and Great Pidding, so I have nothing against it per se, just odd that it was called Northwich in the initial proposals, so the Northwich name has almost been consciously erased. I was thinking if it was because there might be potential confusion with Norwich especially when speaking it.
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 8, 2022 22:03:39 GMT
Well Mid Cheshire (an entirely logical name) takes in Northwich, Winsford & Middlewich, all of whom have proper identities of their own. It is a logical name, and on balance I prefer Mid Shire to Little Pidding and Great Pidding, so I have nothing against it per se, just odd that it was called Northwich in the initial proposals, so the Northwich name has almost been consciously erased. I was thinking if it was because there might be potential confusion with Norwich especially when speaking it. It's because Middlewich came in. Not just two significant communities but three...
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 8, 2022 22:18:22 GMT
Northwich (UK Parliament constituency) 1885–1918: The Sessional Division of Runcorn, and parts of the Sessional Divisions of Eddisbury, Leftwich and Northwich.[2] Comprised the towns of Runcorn, Northwich, Winsford and Middlewich, and surrounding rural areas. 1918–1950: The Urban Districts of Middlewich, Northwich, Runcorn, Sandbach and Winsford, and parts of the Rural Districts of Congleton, Northwich and Runcorn.[3] Sandbach transferred from Crewe. 1950–1955: The Urban Districts of Middlewich, Northwich and Winsford, and the Rural Districts of Northwich and Tarvin.[4] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwich_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 8, 2022 22:50:41 GMT
Northwich (UK Parliament constituency) 1885–1918: The Sessional Division of Runcorn, and parts of the Sessional Divisions of Eddisbury, Leftwich and Northwich.[2] Comprised the towns of Runcorn, Northwich, Winsford and Middlewich, and surrounding rural areas. 1918–1950: The Urban Districts of Middlewich, Northwich, Runcorn, Sandbach and Winsford, and parts of the Rural Districts of Congleton, Northwich and Runcorn.[3] Sandbach transferred from Crewe. 1950–1955: The Urban Districts of Middlewich, Northwich and Winsford, and the Rural Districts of Northwich and Tarvin.[4] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwich_(UK_Parliament_constituency)So I've got significant very personal connections to the Northwich area, but Winsford in particular is a far more significant settlement these days with a similar population to Northwich so at the very least name-check the two towns, otherwise go with Mid Cheshire as a geographical compromise.
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