sirbenjamin
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Post by sirbenjamin on Jul 4, 2021 18:37:50 GMT
Has anyone submitted a response to BCE yet? Do they send you a PDF of your consultation response or do you need to save it yourself? Still preparing, hope to submit next week.
Same here.
Having given it some thought I'm probably only going to bother with the areas they might possibly take seriously rather than anything that radically differs from either the initial proposals or the status quo.
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Post by islington on Jul 4, 2021 19:21:10 GMT
The deadline is 2 Aug so there's less than a month to go now.
I'm likely to make submissions in respect of London (both sides of the Thames); the South West (to get rid of unnecessary cross-county seats); the North West (in lots of places because it's a real mess, easily the BCE's worst region); and the South East (Surrey/Berks/Bucks). In Y&H I've thrown a few ideas into the pot in the hope they might be helpful to someone else, but I don't think I'll make a submission myself (but please, please, someone get rid of that 4-authority Wetherby thing).
I'm unlikely to make a submission anywhere else.
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YL
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Post by YL on Jul 4, 2021 19:32:07 GMT
Has anyone submitted a response to BCE yet? Yes. No, just an email with a reference number, some details about the consultation and a feedback link. |
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Post by hullenedge on Jul 4, 2021 21:06:55 GMT
Huddersfield is by far the largest town in Kirklees (more than twice the size of the Dewsbury, and nowhere else comes close). Also, if you squared off the borough you’d actually find Huddersfield lies fairly close to the centre of it. It’s most certainly not at a “geographical extremity”. I do agree the fact that Kirklees Priority isn’t actually in the borough makes a mockery of the name though. I think it was the fact Dewsbury was (an undersized) county borough at the time of amalgamation that stopped Kirklees doing a Wakefield and just being named after Huddersfield. They could have gone for Calderdale 2? Or Calder, Colne, Holme and Spen. However the boundary panhandle that puts Kirklees Hall into Calderdale follows no geographical feature on its east side and it would be much more sensible in this day and age to make the M62 the boundary in this area. The panhandle puts a really important access road to the M62 for Kirklees into Calderdale, which is daft. Most people have no idea where Kirklees Hall is anyway (it is not signposted, has been turned into housing up a gated road, and is very hard to visit) , so it really doesn't matter where it is.. There was an attempt to align the Calderdale/Kirklees boundary with the M62 back in the late 80s/early 90s. This was the final implemented proposal (light tinkering):- www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1993/850/note/made?view=plainMargaret Beard, a fearsome woman, led the opposition to transferring Ainley Top to Kirklees. You wouldn't dare cross her. Martyn Bolt was proposing this 20 years ago:- www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8042392.boundary-change-a-solution/ |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 4, 2021 21:29:49 GMT
Huddersfield is by far the largest town in Kirklees (more than twice the size of the Dewsbury, and nowhere else comes close). Also, if you squared off the borough you’d actually find Huddersfield lies fairly close to the centre of it. It’s most certainly not at a “geographical extremity”. I do agree the fact that Kirklees Priority isn’t actually in the borough makes a mockery of the name though. I think it was the fact Dewsbury was (an undersized) county borough at the time of amalgamation that stopped Kirklees doing a Wakefield and just being named after Huddersfield. They could have gone for Calderdale 2? Or Calder, Colne, Holme and Spen. Or take inspiration from Hertfordshire and call it Four Rivers? |
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 4, 2021 21:43:51 GMT
They could have gone for Calderdale 2? Or Calder, Colne, Holme and Spen. However the boundary panhandle that puts Kirklees Hall into Calderdale follows no geographical feature on its east side and it would be much more sensible in this day and age to make the M62 the boundary in this area. The panhandle puts a really important access road to the M62 for Kirklees into Calderdale, which is daft. Most people have no idea where Kirklees Hall is anyway (it is not signposted, has been turned into housing up a gated road, and is very hard to visit) , so it really doesn't matter where it is.. There was an attempt to align the Calderdale/Kirklees boundary with the M62 back in the late 80s/early 90s. This was the final implemented proposal (light tinkering):- www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1993/850/note/made?view=plainMargaret Beard, a fearsome woman, led the opposition to transferring Ainley Top to Kirklees. You wouldn't dare cross her. Martyn Bolt was proposing this 20 years ago:- www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8042392.boundary-change-a-solution/Cllr. Bolt is not impressed by current proposals at Cooper Bridge... www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/75m-congestion-buster-cooper-bridge-20932077I am not sure why anyone would campaign to keep responsibility for Ainley Top. I usually end up on the wrong road when I go through it.. |
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 4, 2021 21:48:10 GMT
Huddersfield is by far the largest town in Kirklees (more than twice the size of the Dewsbury, and nowhere else comes close). Also, if you squared off the borough you’d actually find Huddersfield lies fairly close to the centre of it. It’s most certainly not at a “geographical extremity”. I do agree the fact that Kirklees Priority isn’t actually in the borough makes a mockery of the name though. I think it was the fact Dewsbury was (an undersized) county borough at the time of amalgamation that stopped Kirklees doing a Wakefield and just being named after Huddersfield. They could have gone for Calderdale 2? Or Calder, Colne, Holme and Spen. If it wasn't split by the M62 I'd say just go with the local name and call it Cleckhuddersfax. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 4, 2021 21:54:53 GMT
They could have gone for Calderdale 2? Or Calder, Colne, Holme and Spen. If it wasn't split by the M62 I'd say just go with the local name and call it Cleckhuddersfax. Dewsbury would not be happy... |
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 4, 2021 21:58:56 GMT
They could have gone for Calderdale 2? Or Calder, Colne, Holme and Spen. However the boundary panhandle that puts Kirklees Hall into Calderdale follows no geographical feature on its east side and it would be much more sensible in this day and age to make the M62 the boundary in this area. The panhandle puts a really important access road to the M62 for Kirklees into Calderdale, which is daft. Most people have no idea where Kirklees Hall is anyway (it is not signposted, has been turned into housing up a gated road, and is very hard to visit) , so it really doesn't matter where it is.. There was an attempt to align the Calderdale/Kirklees boundary with the M62 back in the late 80s/early 90s. This was the final implemented proposal (light tinkering):- www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1993/850/note/made?view=plainMargaret Beard, a fearsome woman, led the opposition to transferring Ainley Top to Kirklees. You wouldn't dare cross her. Martyn Bolt was proposing this 20 years ago:- www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8042392.boundary-change-a-solution/With the way you drive through the Ainley Top A629 tunnel under the M62 being like driving under the Alps into Italy, it's well past time the boundary was aligned along the motorway. It's ridiculous that there's a Calais-like outpost of Halifax just on the Huddersfield side of the tunnel, as though they need it as a defence against invaders. |
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Post by andrewteale on Jul 4, 2021 22:15:54 GMT
With the way you drive through the Ainley Top A629 tunnel under the M62 being like driving under the Alps into Italy, it's well past time the boundary was aligned along the motorway. It's ridiculous that there's a Calais-like outpost of Halifax just on the Huddersfield side of the tunnel, as though they need it as a defence against invaders. Live coverage of J.G.Harston approaching Huddersfield: |
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 4, 2021 22:22:31 GMT
They could have gone for Calderdale 2? Or Calder, Colne, Holme and Spen. Or take inspiration from Hertfordshire and call it Four Rivers? The largest constituency by area was Colne Valley, so I'd have suggested Colne Valley/ies. The Wiki article states there was a public call for suggestions which had fifty suggested names. Does anybody know what they were? Or if anybody has access to The Times, 8 August 1974, page 12, does it say there? |
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Post by bjornhattan on Jul 4, 2021 23:06:11 GMT
Or take inspiration from Hertfordshire and call it Four Rivers? The largest constituency by area was Colne Valley, so I'd have suggested Colne Valley/ies. The Wiki article states there was a public call for suggestions which had fifty suggested names. Does anybody know what they were? Or if anybody has access to The Times, 8 August 1974, page 12, does it say there?Unfortunately, that article doesn't give a full listing - the leader of the council states that there were fifty names, but only gives us four - Wooldale, Brigantia, Upper Agbrigg, and Kirklees. The final decision was between those last two names. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 5, 2021 5:10:16 GMT
Has anyone submitted a response to BCE yet? Do they send you a PDF of your consultation response or do you need to save it yourself? Still preparing, hope to submit next week. had the mad idea last night of writing in to especially commend all their worst ideas as excellent, as a new form of bloodless int'l terrorism. (Won't actually do that, obviously.) |
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Post by hullenedge on Jul 6, 2021 8:41:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 6:13:03 GMT
The largest constituency by area was Colne Valley, so I'd have suggested Colne Valley/ies. The Wiki article states there was a public call for suggestions which had fifty suggested names. Does anybody know what they were? Or if anybody has access to The Times, 8 August 1974, page 12, does it say there?Unfortunately, that article doesn't give a full listing - the leader of the council states that there were fifty names, but only gives us four - Wooldale, Brigantia, Upper Agbrigg, and Kirklees. The final decision was between those last two names. "Brigantia" is a lovely name for a girl. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jul 11, 2021 12:31:48 GMT
Unfortunately, that article doesn't give a full listing - the leader of the council states that there were fifty names, but only gives us four - Wooldale, Brigantia, Upper Agbrigg, and Kirklees. The final decision was between those last two names. "Brigantia" is a lovely name for a girl. Apparently Brigantia was also a suggested name for what is now Tameside (again, the full list of suggestions is not available). Another suggestion for Tameside ironically was Hartshead (presumably referring to Hartshead Pike) but of course there is also a Hartshead in Kirklees. "South West Yorkshire", anyone?  - after all, there is North West Leicestershire, etc... As I may have alluded to before, I'd be surprised if Mirfield wasn't one of the 50 suggestions, in a sort of 'Sefton'/'Merton' way, a neutral, small settlement and geographically in the middle to name it after. |
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Post by David Ashforth on Jul 11, 2021 17:03:26 GMT
From the House of Commons Library.
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piperdave
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Post by piperdave on Jul 15, 2021 22:02:24 GMT
Or take inspiration from Hertfordshire and call it Four Rivers? The largest constituency by area was Colne Valley, so I'd have suggested Colne Valley/ies. The Wiki article states there was a public call for suggestions which had fifty suggested names. Does anybody know what they were? Or if anybody has access to The Times, 8 August 1974, page 12, does it say there? You could not have called the whole borough 'Colne Valley'. I worked in Kirklees electoral services during the fifth review and had a gentleman on the phone who was outraged his constituency was to be called Colne Valley, and not Holme Valley. Pointing out that the Holme Valley had been in a Colne Valley constituency for several decades was not the answer he wanted to hear. The council area was bizarre but I think everyone knew it was an ugly compromise at reorganisation. I would have called it Battye after Battyeford in Mirfield and the borough's arguably most famous resident, Nora. I only saw them filming Last of the Summer Wine in Holmfirth once, and it was the day of the 2004 European Election count. |
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YL
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Post by YL on Jul 30, 2021 17:20:42 GMT
I've now submitted everything I think I'm going to in this round.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jul 31, 2021 18:55:44 GMT
I have submitted a response (78259, so we're beyond the permitted electoral range) for Cambridgeshire, Essex, Norfolk and Suffolk. I may also submit a response for Northamptonshire if I have time tomorrow, though I'm less fussed about that.
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- after all, there is North West Leicestershire, etc...
