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Post by jimboo2017 on Aug 3, 2024 21:33:28 GMT
Maduro very obviously and majorly lost the election, and the outside world should act accordingly. I'm not sure what you mean? Venezuela Solidarity Campaign
President Ken Livingston Patrons, Diane Abbot, Bruce Kent, Kelvin Hopkins, Ann Pettifor plus look at all the union dues funding it
the University and College Union, the National Union of Teachers, the Public and Commercial Services Union, ASLEF, BECTU, BFAWU, CWU, FBU, GMB, MU, Napo, NUM, PCS, RMT, TSSA, UCATT, UCU, Unite the Union and UNISON
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 3, 2024 21:44:23 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean? Venezuela Solidarity Campaign
President Ken Livingston Patrons, Diane Abbot, Bruce Kent, Kelvin Hopkins, Ann Pettifor plus look at all the union dues funding it
the University and College Union, the National Union of Teachers, the Public and Commercial Services Union, ASLEF, BECTU, BFAWU, CWU, FBU, GMB, MU, Napo, NUM, PCS, RMT, TSSA, UCATT, UCU, Unite the Union and UNISON
Ken Livingstone has dementia. Bruce Kent has died. I'm not sure how they are involved? |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Aug 3, 2024 22:13:11 GMT
Venezuela Solidarity Campaign
President Ken Livingston Patrons, Diane Abbot, Bruce Kent, Kelvin Hopkins, Ann Pettifor plus look at all the union dues funding it
the University and College Union, the National Union of Teachers, the Public and Commercial Services Union, ASLEF, BECTU, BFAWU, CWU, FBU, GMB, MU, Napo, NUM, PCS, RMT, TSSA, UCATT, UCU, Unite the Union and UNISON
Ken Livingstone has dementia. Bruce Kent has died. I'm not sure how they are involved? Bruce is dead, missed that. but the campaign is still active, tho in all honesty I just like researching shit and live in the full knowledge whatever happens the Venezuelan workers and peasants will lose out no matter the outcome. |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Aug 3, 2024 22:20:58 GMT
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Post by iain on Aug 3, 2024 22:34:01 GMT
Maduro very obviously and majorly lost the election, and the outside world should act accordingly. Are we 100% confident that the replacement will be less authoritarian? Are we 100% confident we (well, the US) can stomach the deaths and refugees of a potential civil war? Something like 20% of the Venezuelan population have become refugees in the past few years, so to be perfectly blunt I’m not sure how many people are left who have both the wish and means to escape. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 3, 2024 22:45:21 GMT
I feel sorry for Venezuelans because the only way they’re going to get rid of this socialist regime is if their drug trafficking military overthrows the state, which will probably mean another tyranny, an outside intervention, though with Lula that’s unlikely, or a violent revolution. She's unhappy that her vote to repress others has ended up with her being repressed. Well that's learning the hard way. "Ayayayay, porqué los leopardos comen mi rostro a mi?" |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 4, 2024 11:00:55 GMT
This tweet is from July 30, regrettably several days later Maduro still appears to be very much in charge. |
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Post by johnhemming on Aug 4, 2024 12:05:46 GMT
Its difficult for us to tell from here.
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Post by edgbaston on Aug 4, 2024 12:17:19 GMT
Are we 100% confident that the replacement will be less authoritarian? Are we 100% confident we (well, the US) can stomach the deaths and refugees of a potential civil war? Something like 20% of the Venezuelan population have become refugees in the past few years, so to be perfectly blunt I’m not sure how many people are left who have both the wish and means to escape. Fair enough, I am by no means an expert but am naturally cautious with this sort of regime change talk. Things can always be worse! |
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Post by iain on Aug 4, 2024 18:50:28 GMT
Something like 20% of the Venezuelan population have become refugees in the past few years, so to be perfectly blunt I’m not sure how many people are left who have both the wish and means to escape. Fair enough, I am by no means an expert but am naturally cautious with this sort of regime change talk. Things can always be worse! I agree - just responding to the refugee point specifically. |
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Post by london(ex)tory on Aug 10, 2024 17:39:43 GMT
Is there any more news from here?
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 10, 2024 17:55:39 GMT
Is there any more news from here?
There are plenty of similar articles from other non Grauniad sources, basically saying the same thing. Everyone says it was fixed and the US, UK and EU refuse to recognize the results, along with many South American countries - even Brazil under Lula has said that full voting figures should be released, something that isn't going to happen for obvious reasons.
How this lead to Maduro's downfall is another question, but the groundwork is clearly there.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Aug 10, 2024 19:12:50 GMT
I think some sort of deal could be made hypothetically with Maduro to get him to go to Havana or Sao Paolo or something. However, at the risk of being labelled a doom monger again I am genuinely concerned that real change will be difficult to accomplish even if the dictator goes. Since Chavez came to power, the military has ensconced itself even deeper than it was prior. They, the VZ military, even have a drug cartel now, the "Cartel of the Suns". How the dreams of a prosperous Venezuelan democracy reconciles itself to that reality is beyond me at the moment. greydynamics.com/el-cartel-de-los-soles-the-venezuelan-nationalisation-of-crime/ |
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