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Post by aargauer on Jan 8, 2023 20:38:03 GMT
Banning your opponents from standing for election is especially typical of tin-pot dictatorships. In fairness if he’d been convicted in the impeachment trial that would have been a consequence and part of a legitimate long standing process But there wasn’t really any way aside from that to bar him from standing for office again The way he’s actually going to go out - by losing an election followed by losing the republican primary is infinitely more healthy. |
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Post by stb12 on Jan 8, 2023 20:41:49 GMT
In fairness if he’d been convicted in the impeachment trial that would have been a consequence and part of a legitimate long standing process But there wasn’t really any way aside from that to bar him from standing for office again The way he’s actually going to go out - by losing an election followed by losing the republican primary is infinitely more healthy. Absolutely, as much as I think he deserved to be convicted, certainly in the second impeachment trial anyway, it removed a way for him to become a lifelong martyr |
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Post by afleitch on Jan 8, 2023 21:08:52 GMT
Is this the first time that a Putsch has potentially been plotted in a KFC? Florida Man syndrome. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 9, 2023 11:47:31 GMT
It is now obvious that Jan 6th 2021 set a template for others.
We can laugh at these people until one day when they get what they want, then it won't be funny anymore.
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Post by relique on Jan 9, 2023 12:07:11 GMT
According to a Le Monde article I juste read the federal supreme court has suspended recently reelected Ibaneis Rocha, MDB governor of the federal district. He was in charge of the security.
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Post by mrpastelito on Jan 9, 2023 15:13:08 GMT
It is now obvious that Jan 6th 2021 set a template for others. We can laugh at these people until one day when they get what they want, then it won't be funny anymore. I'm looking forward to the day. I give it another three years at most. |
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Post by maxque on Jan 9, 2023 17:11:11 GMT
According to a Le Monde article I juste read the federal supreme court has suspended recently reelected Ibaneis Rocha, MDB governor of the federal district. He was in charge of the security. The pro-Bolsonaro governor of Brasilia has been suspended for 90 days by the Supreme Court over his failure to provide effective security. They also ordered all protestor camps outside military bases to be taken down within 24 hours and ordered social media to take down any anti-democratic propaganda. |
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Post by aargauer on Jan 9, 2023 19:14:16 GMT
It is now obvious that Jan 6th 2021 set a template for others. We can laugh at these people until one day when they get what they want, then it won't be funny anymore. I'm looking forward to the day. I give it another three years at most. They won't because they are a disorganised rabble who are essentially badly behaved hicks rather than a genuine attempt to overthrow a government. They should be locked up alongside Lula. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jan 9, 2023 19:58:10 GMT
Copycat uprising it seems. I wonder where they got that idea from! For all those saying that Jan 6 was less serious than any 'normal' incidence of rioting/looting will surely npw see how ludicrous those comments were. General rioting/looting are serious offences in themselves of course, and the perpetrators should feel the full weight of the law, but Trump's actions on and before Jan 6 set a precedent never before seen in 'Western democracies'. Now any set of extremists who are lied to about an election being 'stolen' feel emboldened(even encouraged) by their leaders to 'take matters into their own hands'! trump has brought the USA down to the level of tin-pot dictatorships in that specific regard. This is why he really should have been excluded from 'public service' in future, for the general preservation of the democratic process. And this is why the comparisons of Jan 6 with civilian rioting is fatuous! It's funny how leftists only care about political crimes against property and public order offences when they are perpetrated by right-wing nutjobs. It was disgusting how this scumbag got positively hero-worshipped by the Welsh leftist intelligentsia when he was eventually sent down for a trivial amount of time for not paying his fine for breaking into and vandalising Jonathan Evans MP's office. People who commit these sorts of crimes, regardless of whether they are left-wing or right-wing nutjobs, are a disgrace; they should be banned from voting for life for their crimes against representative democracy. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 10, 2023 0:18:36 GMT
Copycat uprising it seems. I wonder where they got that idea from! For all those saying that Jan 6 was less serious than any 'normal' incidence of rioting/looting will surely npw see how ludicrous those comments were. General rioting/looting are serious offences in themselves of course, and the perpetrators should feel the full weight of the law, but Trump's actions on and before Jan 6 set a precedent never before seen in 'Western democracies'. Now any set of extremists who are lied to about an election being 'stolen' feel emboldened(even encouraged) by their leaders to 'take matters into their own hands'! trump has brought the USA down to the level of tin-pot dictatorships in that specific regard. This is why he really should have been excluded from 'public service' in future, for the general preservation of the democratic process. And this is why the comparisons of Jan 6 with civilian rioting is fatuous! It's funny how leftists only care about political crimes against property and public order offences when they are perpetrated by right-wing nutjobs. It was disgusting how this scumbag got positively hero-worshipped by the Welsh leftist intelligentsia when he was eventually sent down for a trivial amount of time for not paying his fine for breaking into and vandalising Jonathan Evans MP's office. People who commit these sorts of crimes, regardless of whether they are left-wing or right-wing nutjobs, are a disgrace; they should be banned from voting for life for their crimes against representative democracy. I'm not sure that some dickhead who went to prison for criminal damage in Cardiff twelve years ago because of cuts to S4C quite equates to Trump trying to engineer a coup.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jan 10, 2023 1:40:30 GMT
This is an article detailing some of the artwork damaged by the mobs. It'll be costly, but most can be repaired. However the 17th century Balthazar Martinot clock, which was given to the Portuguese royal family by Louis XIV, and taken to Brazil by Dom John VI, was irreparably destroyed. There is a smaller version at the Palace of Versailles, but the one in Brasilia looks like a goner. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Jan 10, 2023 22:09:57 GMT
I'm looking forward to the day. I give it another three years at most.
They won't because they are a disorganised rabble who are essentially badly behaved hicks rather than a genuine attempt to overthrow a government.They should be locked up alongside Lula. Oh, I agree with that, absolutely. It's just that sooner or later, this disorganised rabble will become a juggernaut - still disorganised, still badly behaved, but unstoppable. How are you going to lock up millions upon millions? |
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Post by aargauer on Jan 10, 2023 23:31:14 GMT
They won't because they are a disorganised rabble who are essentially badly behaved hicks rather than a genuine attempt to overthrow a government.They should be locked up alongside Lula. Oh, I agree with that, absolutely. It's just that sooner or later, this disorganised rabble will become a juggernaut - still disorganised, still badly behaved, but unstoppable. How are you going to lock up millions upon millions? That presupposes that I agree with your assertion that said juggernaut will be formed. I don't think that's likely. In the US for a start I think Biden loses to De Santis. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Jan 11, 2023 10:30:18 GMT
Oh, I agree with that, absolutely. It's just that sooner or later, this disorganised rabble will become a juggernaut - still disorganised, still badly behaved, but unstoppable. How are you going to lock up millions upon millions? That presupposes that I agree with your assertion that said juggernaut will be formed. I don't think that's likely. In the US for a start I think Biden loses to De Santis.
Hard to imagine Biden standing again, but maybe he'll be stood by his handlers; I don't think he has much of a say in this. You might be right, De Santis looks like a good bet to placate the masses.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 11, 2023 12:34:49 GMT
"Millions upon millions" of what, exactly? QAnonism will never have a mass following, thankfully.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 11, 2023 13:05:37 GMT
I'm looking forward to the day. I give it another three years at most. They won't because they are a disorganised rabble who are essentially badly behaved hicks rather than a genuine attempt to overthrow a government. They should be locked up alongside Lula. It's grim for Brazil that the best that they could bring up for the last election were Bolsonaro and Lula. Nutter versus crook. Admittedly not the worst of either type to have run for the presidency before. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 12, 2023 17:31:02 GMT
That presupposes that I agree with your assertion that said juggernaut will be formed. I don't think that's likely. In the US for a start I think Biden loses to De Santis. Hard to imagine Biden standing again, but maybe he'll be stood by his handlers; I don't think he has much of a say in this. You might be right, De Santis looks like a good bet to placate the masses.
'His handlers'. An assertion seemingly peddled by extremists and idiots. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Jan 12, 2023 19:55:33 GMT
Hard to imagine Biden standing again, but maybe he'll be stood by his handlers; I don't think he has much of a say in this. You might be right, De Santis looks like a good bet to placate the masses.
'His handlers'. An assertion seemingly peddled by extremists and idiots. An assertion shared by virtually everyone who has eyes to see. |
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Post by grahammurray on Jan 12, 2023 20:11:59 GMT
'His handlers'. An assertion seemingly peddled by extremists and idiots. An assertion shared by virtually everyone who has eyes to see. Name six. |
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Post by frankyank on Jan 12, 2023 20:12:51 GMT
'His handlers'. An assertion seemingly peddled by extremists and idiots. An assertion shared by virtually everyone who has eyes to see. Not a shocker you wear glasses, then. |
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