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Post by The Bishop on Nov 12, 2024 15:40:18 GMT
Apparently "undocumented immigrants and families" represent 4.5% of the total US workforce, so miilions of people currently in productive employment, no longer being productively employed. The cost to government of the mass deportations threatened by Trump (which I doubt will actually happen anyway, but MAGA expects] is calculated at around $88bn p.a. Add on top of that the Tariffs debacle. What state do you think the US economy will be in in 4 years time? but expecting them to deport ones who came during the Trump and Biden administrations is reasonable. (Especially as they generally not considered to be as hard working as the Mexicans who came before and are not young male heavy) I actually think that *is* what quite a few people are (however misguidedly) expecting. |
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Post by manchesterman on Nov 12, 2024 16:15:08 GMT
Apparently "undocumented immigrants and families" represent 4.5% of the total US workforce, so miilions of people currently in productive employment, no longer being productively employed. The cost to government of the mass deportations threatened by Trump (which I doubt will actually happen anyway, but MAGA expects] is calculated at around $88bn p.a. Add on top of that the Tariffs debacle. What state do you think the US economy will be in in 4 years time? , but expecting them to deport ones who came during the Trump and Biden administrations is reasonable. (Especially as they generally not considered to be as hard working as the Mexicans who came before and are not young male heavy) You dont know MAGA  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 12, 2024 16:26:42 GMT
There's a very long history of Trump saying something which isn't precise, and lots of commentators saying "He can't possibly mean the most extreme interpretation of that, he must mean something much more reasonable", only for Trump to confirm he did mean exactly the most extreme interpretation.
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Post by nyx on Nov 12, 2024 16:43:45 GMT
There's a very long history of Trump saying something which isn't precise, and lots of commentators saying "He can't possibly mean the most extreme interpretation of that, he must mean something much more reasonable", only for Trump to confirm he did mean exactly the most extreme interpretation. Him meaning that interpretation is one thing. Carrying out the action in question is another entirely. |
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Post by riccimarsh on Nov 12, 2024 16:49:09 GMT
I don’t think that anyone expects the Admin to deport all of the 20 million illegals, but expecting them to deport ones who came during the Trump and Biden administrations is reasonable. (Especially as they generally not considered to be as hard working as the Mexicans who came before and are not young male heavy) I actually think that *is* what quite a few people are (however misguidedly) expecting. They may be expecting it but it is surely impossible. I don’t know what a reasonable daily deportation rate is, but 10,000 people every day sounds like a lot, and even at that rate, Trump would not have deported 20 million people during his term. Edit: For context, Trump made less than 100,000 interior deportations (not people directly detained at the border) in 2019 (the last year before the pandemic), which works out at only 300 people per day. He would have to increase the deportation rate by almost 50-fold in order to meet his target of deporting 20 million people within 4 years. Source: econofact.org/immigrant-deportations-during-the-trump-administration |
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Post by aargauer on Nov 12, 2024 16:54:09 GMT
I would think one of the thing about illegal immigrants is that they don't advertise their location to the US government. So even if they try, they are unlikely to get a large number of these people.
Obviously, the government would already presumably deport known illegal immigrants. I wouldn't go there, announce my overstay and expect to stay, would anyone?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 12, 2024 17:30:52 GMT
I would think one of the thing about illegal immigrants is that they don't advertise their location to the US government. So even if they try, they are unlikely to get a large number of these people. Obviously, the government would already presumably deport known illegal immigrants. I wouldn't go there, announce my overstay and expect to stay, would anyone? Presumably it is known which employers are regularly using illegal labour. A couple of high-profile raids and a couple of sentences for tax evasion will probably encourager les autres. |
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Post by riccimarsh on Nov 12, 2024 17:45:16 GMT
I would think one of the thing about illegal immigrants is that they don't advertise their location to the US government. So even if they try, they are unlikely to get a large number of these people. Obviously, the government would already presumably deport known illegal immigrants. I wouldn't go there, announce my overstay and expect to stay, would anyone? Presumably it is known which employers are regularly using illegal labour. A couple of high-profile raids and a couple of sentences for tax evasion will probably encourager les autres. I do wonder about any asymmetry of this “crackdown”. Will Trump be raiding farmers in Iowa?? Or just pizza places in New York?? |
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Post by riccimarsh on Nov 12, 2024 18:12:09 GMT
Marco Rubio tipped to be Secretary of State, the least bad option. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Nov 12, 2024 18:47:11 GMT
At least he'll have something in common with David Lammy.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 12, 2024 18:53:33 GMT
Presumably it is known which employers are regularly using illegal labour. A couple of high-profile raids and a couple of sentences for tax evasion will probably encourager les autres. I do wonder about any asymmetry of this “crackdown”. Will Trump be raiding farmers in Iowa?? Or just pizza places in New York?? There's a fairly straightforward way to bring in farm labour, the H2-A visa. There will of course be farms that ignore this, and these might be the obvious target. Good politics would be: 1. Target some large farms that produce comparatively less useful products, such as a couple of California almond farms. 2. Target pizza places etc in areas with high levels of legal migrant labour, and loudly draw that distinction. 3. Nail a few of the owners for tax evasion. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 12, 2024 18:57:53 GMT
I would think one of the thing about illegal immigrants is that they don't advertise their location to the US government. So even if they try, they are unlikely to get a large number of these people. Obviously, the government would already presumably deport known illegal immigrants. I wouldn't go there, announce my overstay and expect to stay, would anyone? When I was an illegal immigrant the authorities only noticed when I was queueing to board an aeroplane to leave. |
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Post by aargauer on Nov 12, 2024 18:59:53 GMT
I would think one of the thing about illegal immigrants is that they don't advertise their location to the US government. So even if they try, they are unlikely to get a large number of these people. Obviously, the government would already presumably deport known illegal immigrants. I wouldn't go there, announce my overstay and expect to stay, would anyone? When I was an illegal immigrant the authorities only noticed when I was queueing to board an aeroplane to leave. The U.S. as I understand it doesn't check people on the way out. What happened when the authorities found out about your illegal stay? |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 12, 2024 19:09:12 GMT
There are two reasons to deport 1000 migrants
One is to deport 1000 migrants.
The other is to discourage 10,000 migrants
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 12, 2024 19:10:29 GMT
When I was an illegal immigrant the authorities only noticed when I was queueing to board an aeroplane to leave. The U.S. as I understand it doesn't check people on the way out. What happened when the authorities found out about your illegal stay? They required me to pay for a residency visa before they would let me leave. |
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Post by manchesterman on Nov 12, 2024 19:10:39 GMT
When I was an illegal immigrant the authorities only noticed when I was queueing to board an aeroplane to leave. The U.S. as I understand it doesn't check people on the way out. What happened when the authorities found out about your illegal stay? They presumably put his on the next plane out..i.e. the one he was already getting on |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 12, 2024 19:13:45 GMT
The U.S. as I understand it doesn't check people on the way out. What happened when the authorities found out about your illegal stay? They presumably put his on the next plane out..i.e. the one he was already getting on I think they would have detained me then deported me, so I would have missed my plane, and probably my luggage. |
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Post by aargauer on Nov 12, 2024 19:27:01 GMT
The U.S. as I understand it doesn't check people on the way out. What happened when the authorities found out about your illegal stay? They required me to pay for a residency visa before they would let me leave. You should have paid for it, said you are legal now and walked back out of the airport 😂 If only illegal immigrants knew this one simple trick... |
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Post by sanders on Nov 12, 2024 19:42:39 GMT
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Post by stb12 on Nov 12, 2024 21:05:50 GMT
Mike Huckabee will be ambassador to Israel
I’d missed how much older he looks now compared to a few years ago (and yes obviously he is older but some people you hardly notice a difference even around his age)
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