|
Post by greatkingrat on Sept 12, 2024 11:24:35 GMT
You can’t learn from a defeat if you refuse to accept it was a defeat. That applies to the other night's debate as well - Trump appears to genuinely believe that he won it "bigly". To be fair to Trump, no politician of any party is going to say they lost a debate.
|
|
The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
Posts: 38,304
Member is Online
|
Post by The Bishop on Sept 12, 2024 11:25:39 GMT
The point is that he's not just saying it, he really seems to think it.
|
|
|
Post by therealriga on Sept 12, 2024 11:27:37 GMT
Yes, as an immigrant myself watching, when he said that or his idea about babies being killed in Virginia I nearly choked on my cat burger. Americans have been eating hot dogs for years. But as soon as the Haitians want to do it it’s suddenly problematic?? Ironically, I am an immigrant who once ate dog (of the woof-woof-woof kind.) I had it in a Korean restaurant in Kazakhstan and have zero regret. It was perfectly fine and I think a lot of these food taboos against prepared meat are daft. You're either veggie or pescatarian or you are not. However, the racist "filthy, uneducated immigrants eating dogs" trope is as old as the hills : we had it in Ireland against the Chinese community from at least the 1980s. There does seem to have been a real life case in Ohio of someone doing it but the person was neither Haitian, nor an immigrant. You'd almost wish they'd get more imaginative with the conspiracies. Speaking of which I notice the conspiracy response from the MAGA denialists to the debate is to claim Harris was wearing earpieces disguised as earrings. Do these people not realise that a big part of why they lost in 2020 was their gullible willingness to fall for deranged conspiracies like QAnon etc?
|
|
|
Post by sanders on Sept 12, 2024 11:29:04 GMT
Paul Ryan's old seat might flip. We may see two Democratic gains. WI-1 and WI-3 could both fall.
Liberals carried WI-3 in Court elections. Governor Evers (D) did well there.
|
|
The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
Posts: 38,304
Member is Online
|
Post by The Bishop on Sept 12, 2024 11:48:48 GMT
Although you would hope, with hindsight, that the Biden camp would prefer the possibility of a Harris presidency to the certainty of a Trump one, which would have been the only outcome if Biden fell apart in a September debate. You have the oldest candidate on record, there are concerns about his mental acuity, you have an abnormally early debate which highlights those concerns with time to change things. An unusual set of coincidences. The irony is that it was the *Biden* camp who were keen for an early debate, and Trump's team had to be cajoled into accepting it. They thought it was a chance to shut up the incessant "he's too old for a second term" drumbeat from the media once and for all - and tbf they may well have been encouraged in this by his much better than widely predicted performance in the State Of The Union address. But whilst the POTUS was clearly "on form" that day, he equally obviously wasn't come the debate (if its true he caught a cold in the preceding days, that may have been a decisive factor - but it was something else that shows there isn't much margin for error when you are that age) And the rest is, of course, history.
|
|
|
Post by stb12 on Sept 12, 2024 11:51:55 GMT
Paul Ryan's old seat might flip. We may see two Democratic gains. WI-1 and WI-3 could both fall. Liberals carried WI-3 in Court elections. Governor Evers (D) did well there. Although at this stage Biden’s polling average would have been higher there and in other swing states so it’s pretty speculative
|
|
|
Post by sanders on Sept 12, 2024 11:54:41 GMT
No need to visit New Hampshire. Dallas, Houston, The Woodlands - campaign there. Montgomery County, Texas needs a visit. 'Twas Trump's largest numerical county victory. It's north of Houston (Harris County). Or should I say Harris country? There's certainly Democratic potential around there.
|
|
r34t
Non-Aligned
Posts: 1,115
|
Post by r34t on Sept 12, 2024 12:05:47 GMT
The point is that he's not just saying it, he really seems to think it. Now that does pose the $64,000 question - "does he really ?" He comes out with such fabulist nonsense, the greatest this, the biggest that, everyone says I'm a genius about 'subject X' Does he really believe all the bullshit
|
|
|
Post by therealriga on Sept 12, 2024 12:46:45 GMT
The point is that he's not just saying it, he really seems to think it. Now that does pose the $64,000 question - "does he really ?" He comes out with such fabulist nonsense, the greatest this, the biggest that, everyone says I'm a genius about 'subject X' Does he really believe all the bullshit His petulant responses, facial expressions and body language when anyone questions it or attacks it certainly suggest that he does believe his own hype, as does the energetic effort he put into having the previous election overturned. If he was only being ironic or playing a role then he wouldn't have so easily taken the bait cast by Harris in the previous debate. The strange thing, though, is that in the first debate vs Biden he did manage to restrain himself more, but that was a one-off and this week seemed a reversion to type.
|
|
|
Post by matureleft on Sept 12, 2024 13:03:43 GMT
Now that does pose the $64,000 question - "does he really ?" He comes out with such fabulist nonsense, the greatest this, the biggest that, everyone says I'm a genius about 'subject X' Does he really believe all the bullshit His petulant responses, facial expressions and body language when anyone questions it or attacks it certainly suggest that he does believe his own hype, as does the energetic effort he put into having the previous election overturned. If he was only being ironic or playing a role then he wouldn't have so easily taken the bait cast by Harris in the previous debate. The strange thing, though, is that in the first debate vs Biden he did manage to restrain himself more, but that was a one-off and this week seemed a reversion to type. Do not neglect the sexual dynamics here. Trump sees himself as an Alpha Male and behaves like one. I mentioned Harris deliberately crossing to his space to shake his hand. The 'big crowds' obsession is a symbol to Trump and a younger (black) woman joshing him about it is another direct attack on his self-image. Clinton didn't try this - poke fun at him, invade his space, treat him as somewhat 'weird'. As is her way she took him very seriously and stuffily. Harris should have fun.
|
|
|
Post by manchesterman on Sept 12, 2024 13:10:56 GMT
She might also have mentioned that he’s started arriving so late at rallies, apparently two hours plus at one in Wisconsin, that people are actually leaving before he gets there. Hitler arrived at rallies late in order to get people more excited with waiting. we all learn from our heroes
|
|
|
Post by sanders on Sept 12, 2024 13:11:34 GMT
This is excellent stuff from Khanna. He's 100% correct about masala chai.
|
|
|
Post by manchesterman on Sept 12, 2024 13:17:04 GMT
If I had a vote I wouldve voted Harris anyway. but this seals the deal
|
|
johng
Labour
Posts: 4,773
|
Post by johng on Sept 12, 2024 14:07:35 GMT
Let us not forget though that Hillary Clinton was largely considered to have “won” all three debates in 2016. What happened last night was encouraging for Harris, but nothing more. There is still a long way to go, and anything can and will happen between now and January 20th.
True, and polls were pretty consistent on it.
But Hilary was a known quantity going into 2016. Despite being a former senator and current VP, Harris just isn't known in the same way.
|
|
iain
Lib Dem
Posts: 11,262
Member is Online
|
Post by iain on Sept 12, 2024 14:47:25 GMT
This is excellent stuff from Khanna. He's 100% correct about masala chai. I note that that post from Trump’s white supremacist, conspiracy theorist confidante, Laura Loomer, was too much for even MTG.
|
|
|
Post by London Lad on Sept 12, 2024 16:48:10 GMT
Yes, as an immigrant myself watching, when he said that or his idea about babies being killed in Virginia I nearly choked on my cat burger. Americans have been eating hot dogs for years. But as soon as the Haitians want to do it it’s suddenly problematic?? Depends how...😉
|
|
|
Post by stb12 on Sept 12, 2024 17:05:32 GMT
|
|
|
Post by sanders on Sept 13, 2024 5:22:47 GMT
Caldwell County, Texas is worth watching. It's a suburban county near Austin. A must win for Allred and Harris if Democrats are to win the Lone Star State. If Democrats are winning Texas, they will need to pull ahead of Trump in the following counties: Bastrop, Bell, Brazos, Caldwell, Collin, and Denton at least.
|
|
|
Post by stb12 on Sept 13, 2024 6:53:20 GMT
Caldwell County, Texas is worth watching. It's a suburban county near Austin. A must win for Allred and Harris if Democrats are to win the Lone Star State. If Democrats are winning Texas, they will need to pull ahead of Trump in the following counties: Bastrop, Bell, Brazos, Caldwell, Collin, and Denton at least. I’m still very sure that they aren’t winning Texas
|
|
|
Post by sanders on Sept 13, 2024 7:00:02 GMT
Caldwell County, Texas is worth watching. It's a suburban county near Austin. A must win for Allred and Harris if Democrats are to win the Lone Star State. If Democrats are winning Texas, they will need to pull ahead of Trump in the following counties: Bastrop, Bell, Brazos, Caldwell, Collin, and Denton at least. I’m still very sure that they aren’t winning Texas At both Senate and Presidential level? I'm not convinced Cruz will win. Even if Trump wins the state. Cruz underperforms Trump (a rare phenomenon).
|
|