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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 27, 2024 9:20:41 GMT
The VP should be Governor Shapiro from Pennsylvania. He did well over the Trump assassination attempt, unlike Biden, and should help them carry the state in a year when it looks like going red. VP nominees rarely have much impact in their home state but Shapiro is an incumbent Governor with excellent approval ratings so I think he puts PA in the likely Dem column. I would go as far to say that if he is on the ticket the Trump campaign will probably not make a serious effort in the state. However I don't think he will help much in other mid west states so Michigan and Wisconsin will certainly still be in contention. Shapiro will possibly be a small net negative in the former with the small but potentially decisive Arab/Muslim vote.
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Post by willpower3 on Jul 27, 2024 9:35:55 GMT
If Kamala Harris had sense, she'd choose Pete Buttigieg as VP. Rust belt state mayor (South Bend), charismatic orator and effective interviewee, in my humble opinion. Shapiro is a Governor (of the most important swing state in the country) rather than a mere Mayor and he's also a notedly good orator and probably good in the general media too. In addition to that he also isn't so obviously an awful careerist.
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 27, 2024 10:30:32 GMT
If Kamala Harris had sense, she'd choose Pete Buttigieg as VP. Rust belt state mayor (South Bend), charismatic orator and effective interviewee, in my humble opinion. IMO he would be one of the worst plausible choices, and the being gay thing is only a relatively small part of that.
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Post by sanders on Jul 27, 2024 13:02:59 GMT
If Kamala Harris had sense, she'd choose Pete Buttigieg as VP. Rust belt state mayor (South Bend), charismatic orator and effective interviewee, in my humble opinion. Shapiro is a Governor (of the most important swing state in the country) rather than a mere Mayor and he's also a notedly good orator and probably good in the general media too. In addition to that he also isn't so obviously an awful careerist. Buttigieg isn't just a Mayor. I think he'd be good honestly. Why? A better media performer than Kamala. He does much better on CNN. That, and the rest of them.
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Post by iain on Jul 27, 2024 15:10:51 GMT
If Kamala Harris had sense, she'd choose Pete Buttigieg as VP. Rust belt state mayor (South Bend), charismatic orator and effective interviewee, in my humble opinion. IMO he would be one of the worst plausible choices, and the being gay thing is only a relatively small part of that. Buttigieg is probably *the* best communicator in the current Democratic Party. Those who dislike him seem to come from the statist European (including UK) left or the very far left, neither of whom is a noteworthy constituency in the US. As a VP pick he would be relatively high risk / reward. It depends if Harris wants a solid midwesterner to balance her out, or if she wants someone to help her lean into the ‘change’ message. Buttigieg is *the* obvious choice for the latter (still a white man so as not to scare the horses, but young, gay and fresh) but leaning in certainly isn’t the safe choice.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 27, 2024 15:27:21 GMT
IMO he would be one of the worst plausible choices, and the being gay thing is only a relatively small part of that. Buttigieg is probably *the* best communicator in the current Democratic Party. Those who dislike him seem to come from the statist European (including UK) left or the very far left, neither of whom is a noteworthy constituency in the UK. As a VP pick he would be relatively high risk / reward. It depends if Harris wants a solid midwesterner to balance her out, or if she wants someone to help her lean into the ‘change’ message. Buttigieg is *the* obvious choice for the latter (still a white man so as not to scare the horses, but young, gay and fresh) but leaning in certainly isn’t the safe choice. If only Biden had allowed a "proper" Primary season, then the relative merits of Kelly/Shapiro/Buttigieg could have been tested, but of course that would have risked Harris not getting the nomination.
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 27, 2024 15:47:05 GMT
I don't think "testing" candidates by having them slag each other off for months is always wise. But neither is a coronation.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 27, 2024 19:34:59 GMT
Attacking the childless has a lot of potential to work for the Republicans in the same way as attacks on abortion rights have done. He seems to neither be backtracking on his remarks nor doubling down on them. Very odd.
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Post by timmullen on Jul 27, 2024 19:42:27 GMT
Buttigieg is probably *the* best communicator in the current Democratic Party. Those who dislike him seem to come from the statist European (including UK) left or the very far left, neither of whom is a noteworthy constituency in the UK. As a VP pick he would be relatively high risk / reward. It depends if Harris wants a solid midwesterner to balance her out, or if she wants someone to help her lean into the ‘change’ message. Buttigieg is *the* obvious choice for the latter (still a white man so as not to scare the horses, but young, gay and fresh) but leaning in certainly isn’t the safe choice. If only Biden had allowed a "proper" Primary season, then the relative merits of Kelly/Shapiro/Buttigieg could have been tested, but of course that would have risked Harris not getting the nomination. Assuming any or all had actually run and not deferred to Harris anyway (Kelly has previously sounded pretty unenthusiastic, and did take a quite considerable amount of persuading just to run for Senate, having turned down the chance to run in Gaby’s House District at least twice).
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Post by r34t on Jul 27, 2024 19:52:49 GMT
“Christians, get out and vote! Just this time – you won’t have to do it any more,”
“You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote any more, my beautiful Christians,”
“I love you. Get out – you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.”
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 27, 2024 19:57:31 GMT
“Christians, get out and vote! Just this time – you won’t have to do it any more,” “You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote any more, my beautiful Christians,” “I love you. Get out – you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.” D.Trump - July 2024 If we're being kind maybe he's anticipating the rapture before then.
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Post by London Lad on Jul 27, 2024 21:18:10 GMT
Shapiro is a Governor (of the most important swing state in the country) rather than a mere Mayor and he's also a notedly good orator and probably good in the general media too. In addition to that he also isn't so obviously an awful careerist. Buttigieg isn't just a Mayor. I think he'd be good honestly. Why? A better media performer than Kamala. He does much better on CNN. That, and the rest of them. I like Buttigieg but it isn't exactly hard for a Democrat to do well on CNN. My problem with him is that I'm not sure the US public are ready for a woman of colour as president and a gay man as VP. To offset the Harris issue I think the best fit would be Kelly. It's not about appealing to your base or even the country - it's about appealing to a specific set of voters in about 6 swing states.
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Post by sanders on Jul 28, 2024 7:57:38 GMT
Buttigieg isn't just a Mayor. I think he'd be good honestly. Why? A better media performer than Kamala. He does much better on CNN. That, and the rest of them. I like Buttigieg but it isn't exactly hard for a Democrat to do well on CNN. My problem with him is that I'm not sure the US public are ready for a woman of colour as president and a gay man as VP. To offset the Harris issue I think the best fit would be Kelly. It's not about appealing to your base or even the country - it's about appealing to a specific set of voters in about 6 swing states. Kelly’s an astronaut so obviously a stellar candidate for VP.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 28, 2024 8:28:36 GMT
If Kamala Harris had sense, she'd choose Pete Buttigieg as VP. Rust belt state mayor (South Bend), charismatic orator and effective interviewee, in my humble opinion. They would be fools to nominate a woman of colour and a gay man on the same ticket. I'm as 'woke scum' as the best of them, but I know when a ballot for a fractured country can't just be two metropolitan types.
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Post by sanders on Jul 28, 2024 8:39:09 GMT
If Kamala Harris had sense, she'd choose Pete Buttigieg as VP. Rust belt state mayor (South Bend), charismatic orator and effective interviewee, in my humble opinion. They would be fools to nominate a woman of colour and a gay man on the same ticket. I'm as 'woke scum' as the best of them, but I know when a ballot for a fractured country can't just be two metropolitan types. Metropolitan? Buttigieg is from a flyover state - Indiana. Transportation Secretary Buttigieg (Harvard MBA) would decimate Senator Vance (Yale JD) in a debate.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 28, 2024 9:22:30 GMT
They would be fools to nominate a woman of colour and a gay man on the same ticket. I'm as 'woke scum' as the best of them, but I know when a ballot for a fractured country can't just be two metropolitan types. Metropolitan? Buttigieg is from a flyover state - Indiana. Transportation Secretary Buttigieg (Harvard MBA) would decimate Senator Vance (Yale JD) in a debate. You don't fight Republican allegations of being out of touch or 'woke' by falling into their hands. Buttigieg is really impressive, I love his turns of phrase. He's smart and funny. But he's not the right candidate at this time.
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 28, 2024 9:26:19 GMT
IMO he would be one of the worst plausible choices, and the being gay thing is only a relatively small part of that. Buttigieg is probably *the* best communicator in the current Democratic Party. Those who dislike him seem to come from the statist European (including UK) left or the very far left, neither of whom is a noteworthy constituency in the US. I'm afraid this rather reminds me of those who praise Wes Streeting in similar terms over here. In both cases I suspect "good communicator" translates as saying what the listener wants to hear - particularly as far as "opinion formers" are concerned.
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Post by johng on Jul 28, 2024 9:33:10 GMT
To offset the Harris issue I think the best fit would be Kelly. It's not about appealing to your base or even the country - it's about appealing to a specific set of voters in about 6 swing states.
Kelly would be a good choice.
Though it seems more likely to me that she'll be going for a rust belt strategy which means someone like Josh Shapiro would be a more likely candidate.
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Post by timmullen on Jul 28, 2024 9:39:06 GMT
Buttigieg is probably *the* best communicator in the current Democratic Party. Those who dislike him seem to come from the statist European (including UK) left or the very far left, neither of whom is a noteworthy constituency in the US. I'm afraid this rather reminds me of those who praise Wes Streeting in similar terms over here. In both cases I suspect "good communicator" translates as saying what the listener wants to hear - particularly as far as "opinion formers" are concerned. With the caveat that I don’t think he should or will be the running mate, it shouldn’t be forgotten that he won the Iowa caucuses four years ago as an unknown, which suggests a degree of organisational acumen, and he’s seems to have been pretty uncontroversial at Transportation, only peeing off the hard right who have tried silly things like overturning his order that all Departmental office buildings should have a few electric vehicle charging stations. Good communicator this year is a potential plus as Vance on the trail seems to have turned into an incoherent babbler, so an articulate opponent could be advantageous (maybe a negative for Kelly who seems to be archetypal military, short, clipped sentences, appearing brusque).
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 28, 2024 9:43:40 GMT
Even I think we should have more EV charging points.
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