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Post by right on Jul 22, 2024 15:17:12 GMT
But you didn't, hard to underestimate the shock of what FDR did It was wartime and it was an exception It was explicitly a peace election, although that was not FDR's plan (or Wilkie's) |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 22, 2024 15:20:38 GMT
But you didn't, hard to underestimate the shock of what FDR did It was wartime and … No it wasn’t. FDR was elected for his 3rd term in 1940. His re-election during wartime wasn’t until his 4th term for which he was elected in 1944. |
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Post by cathyc on Jul 22, 2024 15:23:08 GMT
Unprecedented situations might require novel criminal charges, no?? There was never a President who tried to over-turn an election before, so it’s not surprising that such a thing had never previously been charged. And mis-handling of classified information is a hardly a novel charge. This was campaign finance, so the already sinister argument doesn't apply Sexual assault is not a novel charge nor is tax fraud, election rigging, handling unclassified documents, obstruction of justice, false accounting or racketeering, |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 22, 2024 15:49:21 GMT
It would be ideal if certain posters could just use the PM function. Not just on this thread. What does the Prime Minister function do? When you press the key it brings up the Number Ten. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 22, 2024 16:13:37 GMT
Don’t you define about 98% of people as heathens, or heretics, or satanic, or similar? As a honest and self-declared Pagan following some of the old ways and immersed in a variant of science-based Animism , I am unsure what Heathen is supposed to cover, but have always regarded is as a common form of slur and disparagement employed by some Christians to demean non-Christians. I feel we might have discussed this recently but both pagan (Latin) and Heathen (Germanic) are thought to both mean people who lived out in the countryside, so sort of hicks from the sticks, unschooled in the sophisticated ways of the world.
After the establishment of Christianity both came to mean people who didn't subscribe to the faith and were therefore unschooled in the ways of the new established religion.
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Post by right on Jul 22, 2024 16:54:07 GMT
There was a suggestion the other day that the Trump campaign had done little to wargame opposing a candidate other than Biden. This statement seems to fit that. Regardless of Harris's merits or otherwise, this could come back to haunt them. She's all over the news for a week, they've got bugger all on her. And by the time they have, she's already had at least of coverage featuring a fairly united Democratic Party. For the same reasons, the Dems would be advised to pick a VP candidate in good order. I'd be surprised. They definitely wanted Biden in his current state but before the Dems were rounding on Biden they were running attack lines about electing Biden being the same as electing Kamala, so this indicates that they had focus grouped and polled the option. There may be a plea not to throw them in the briar patch until Kamala is safely nominated. Do they really want any other plausible candidate than her? This time unlike the last two I don't prefer Trump, but his campaign is giving a more disciplined aura than previously. |
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Post by graham on Jul 22, 2024 17:55:05 GMT
The Democratic nominee is surely better placed than George Bush Senior appeared to be prior to the 1988 Republican convention when Dukakis appeared to be enjoying a huge lead over his rival.
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Post by norflondon on Jul 22, 2024 18:37:39 GMT
To win Presidential election
Markets
Predictit: Trump 61% Harris 39%
Betting exchanges: Trump 63% Harris 32% ..others 5%
Corals:Trump 1/2 (66%) Harris 2/1 (33%)
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 22, 2024 20:26:09 GMT
Guardian article on running mates names:
Andy Beshear
Mark Kelly
Josh Shapiro
Roy Cooper
Wes Moore
Gretchen Whitmer
Pete Buttigieg
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 22, 2024 21:04:16 GMT
On a side note it would be nice if any of this interesting situation could be discussed without everyone sounding so partisan but no doubt that’s wishful thinking on my part I dont think my input is going to help you, but whoever loses, I am going to enjoy the angst. The only think as bonkers as Trump Derangement Syndrome is the Trumpanzees. BTW, I can get why an athiest might vote for Trump. Why a religious fundie would is beyond me. With the very welcome departure of Biden my notional vote now leans towards Harris but every time I am reminded that she is a woman and that she is black (which she isnt) as if these were qualifications I shall look in the mirror remember that I am male and white and in the spirit of intersectionality reconsider shifting my notional vote back to the Orange Man. And really, the Never Trump Lunatics swing more floating voters to Trump than any other factor. Harris needs a white male VP in a suit and a Sister Soulja moment. A month ago Vance was nobody. Now he is a fat old man having a stroke away from the presidency |
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Post by therealriga on Jul 22, 2024 21:33:03 GMT
Perhaps Dean Phillips should be the nominee. He was the only remotely credible person within the party who realised that Biden needed replacing and had the courage to run against him. Carter could go for a second term. He’s better qualified than Roberta McCain was. That could certainly produce some memorable debate moments if Carter just went full on attack dog, throwing in some half truths along the way. "No one understands the challenges that senior citizens face in this country better than I do." "Your presidency? I was running the country when you were doing coke with your teenage buddies in Studio 54!" "War? Very few understand the horrors more than me. I served in World War 2 and have the medal to prove it. Can my opponent say the same?" "He says I looked on a lot of women with lust? Do I look like a guy who looks at women with lust these days? Let's talk about his own philandering." "As a man I once debated with once said, I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience." |
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Post by iain on Jul 22, 2024 21:37:11 GMT
The sort of stunning rhetoric which saw JD Vance massively underperform the Republican ticket in Ohio in 2022.
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 22, 2024 21:38:04 GMT
On a side note it would be nice if any of this interesting situation could be discussed without everyone sounding so partisan but no doubt that’s wishful thinking on my part I dont think my input is going to help you, but whoever loses, I am going to enjoy the angst. The only think as bonkers as Trump Derangement Syndrome is the Trumpanzees. BTW, I can get why an athiest might vote for Trump. Why a religious fundie would is beyond me. With the very welcome departure of Biden my notional vote now leans towards Harris but every time I am reminded that she is a woman and that she is black (which she isnt) as if these were qualifications I shall look in the mirror remember that I am male and white and in the spirit of intersectionality reconsider shifting my notional vote back to the Orange Man. And really, the Never Trump Lunatics swing more floating voters to Trump than any other factor. Harris needs a white male VP in a suit and a Sister Soulja moment. A month ago Vance was nobody. Now he is a fat old man having a stroke away from the presidency I had you down as an RFK man tbf |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 22, 2024 21:45:10 GMT
The sort of stunning rhetoric which saw JD Vance massively underperform the Republican ticket in Ohio in 2022. I have listened to that four times and I still can’t get what he said. “I (something) mountain (something) the other day”. What did he say? |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 22, 2024 21:45:22 GMT
As a honest and self-declared Pagan following some of the old ways and immersed in a variant of science-based Animism , I am unsure what Heathen is supposed to cover, but have always regarded is as a common form of slur and disparagement employed by some Christians to demean non-Christians. I feel we might have discussed this recently but both pagan (Latin) and Heathen (Germanic) are thought to both mean people who lived out in the countryside, so sort of hicks from the sticks, unschooled in the sophisticated ways of the world.
After the establishment of Christianity both came to mean people who didn't subscribe to the faith and were therefore unschooled in the ways of the new established religion.
At no point could either be said to have been a compliment. I have a complex theory of names and I am sure that the name does influence the child for good or ill. A brief affair with a woman named Pagan cemented some thoughts and convinced me her parents had been correct. I never met the parents. |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 22, 2024 22:28:15 GMT
The sort of stunning rhetoric which saw JD Vance massively underperform the Republican ticket in Ohio in 2022. I have listened to that four times and I still can’t get what he said. “I (something) mountain (something) the other day”. What did he say? "I had a diet Mountain Dew the other day" [fancy water drink) ...but no, I'm none the wiser either! |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 22, 2024 22:48:23 GMT
The sort of stunning rhetoric which saw JD Vance massively underperform the Republican ticket in Ohio in 2022. I have listened to that four times and I still can’t get what he said. “I (something) mountain (something) the other day”. What did he say? He's a narcissist who's (naturally) unable to keep on message, so it doesn't really matter, it's always going to be irrelevant nonsense. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 22, 2024 22:48:35 GMT
I don't think the Trumpists should be going down this route. As an attack line, it's reprehensible and could backfire given Trump's own personal life.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 22, 2024 23:11:21 GMT
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 22, 2024 23:18:14 GMT
I have listened to that four times and I still can’t get what he said. “I (something) mountain (something) the other day”. What did he say? He's a narcissist who's (naturally) unable to keep on message, so it doesn't really matter, it's always going to be irrelevant nonsense. It's not about information, policy, truth or anything really. It is termed working the crowd and leaving them feeling bonded good about themselves and good about the speaker. |
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