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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 22, 2024 0:32:39 GMT
Ironically it was Biden's team who pushed for an early debate. Maybe that’s not ironic at all. Maybe that was the plan: to force the issue before it was too laye. While that is a delicious thought I don't think it is the case. It would have required Biden's entire senior team to have been on board with a plot against him which seems very unlikely. It was probably just Biden's extraordinary arrogance which has been the hallmark of his entire political career. |
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Post by markgoodair on Jul 22, 2024 2:10:24 GMT
Someone pointed out that the Biden crisis has come to a head now, after the TV debate in June, whereas presidential election debates usually don’t happen until September. Can’t wait to see Harris run rings around Trump in the debates. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 22, 2024 2:19:59 GMT
I don’t know what “cope” (as a noun) means in this context It is a verb and refers to a coping mechanism essentially. You need a noun in that position in that sentence, and you form nouns from verbs by using the "-ing" form, so: "The *coping*....." |
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Post by right on Jul 22, 2024 3:39:34 GMT
Someone pointed out that the Biden crisis has come to a head now, after the TV debate in June, whereas presidential election debates usually don’t happen until September. Can’t wait to see Harris run rings around Trump in the debates. She may, but why did she drop out in 2020? |
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Post by right on Jul 22, 2024 3:43:43 GMT
For those looking for bad news, this suggests the Biden family wasn't thinking about his country but his ratings. For the good news, if they were checking his ratings they'd have presumably checked Kamala's and that would have been in her favour. They would care about that, right?
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Post by right on Jul 22, 2024 4:01:01 GMT
At the end of the day the moment Biden announced he will not accept nomination for another term the Democrats have to find a replacement. Indeed, I can’t see it going anywhere other than maybe creating a bit of mischief like i said There are 50 jurisdictions, if they can get this into a few headlines then this can remind people of the smoke filled rooms or the Dems backing a clearly incapable candidate. I'm not as sanguine as the true believers on this. www.politico.com/news/2024/07/21/biden-johnson-2024-elections-laws-00169973 |
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Post by London Lad on Jul 22, 2024 6:52:23 GMT
Someone pointed out that the Biden crisis has come to a head now, after the TV debate in June, whereas presidential election debates usually don’t happen until September. Can’t wait to see Harris run rings around Trump in the debates. LOL Can you translate this word salad for us? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 22, 2024 6:57:13 GMT
The retooled campaign has raised 46 million dollars in 7 hours. That's more than the original version (including in 2020) raised in any single day.
The donors are clearly back on board.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 22, 2024 7:40:26 GMT
The important thing is beating and destroying Project 2025. Too much groundwork has been prepared already, from pro-Trump decisions in the Supreme Court, the Florida case being thrown out by a Trump appointee, and the numerous abortion cases across the country. It's last chance time to rescue the country from total collapse under right wing extremists
My heart wanted Biden to do it. It was looking increasingly difficult. Increasingly hard. Now they have to get Harris over the line. That's all that matters.
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Post by right on Jul 22, 2024 7:42:51 GMT
The important thing is beating and destroying Project 2025. Too much groundwork has been prepared already, from pro-Trump decisions in the Supreme Court, the Florida case being thrown out by a Trump appointee, and the numerous abortion cases across the country. It's last chance time to rescue the country from total collapse under right wing extremists My heart wanted Biden to do it. It was looking increasingly difficult. Increasingly hard. Now they have to get Harris over the line. That's all that matters. Project 2025 is what they say to the thick kids to get them to support Democrats |
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Post by right on Jul 22, 2024 7:45:52 GMT
The retooled campaign has raised 46 million dollars in 7 hours. That's more than the original version (including in 2020) raised in any single day. The donors are clearly back on board. Sideline money, but still useful There's going to be a bump in the polls, but she's not a good candidate Perhaps being not Trump will be enough |
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Post by markgoodair on Jul 22, 2024 8:15:00 GMT
The 2024 Democratic national convention dates are August 19-22. There are five states that require qualified parties to certify the names of their presidential nominees earlier than September 1: California August 22; Montana August 21; Oklahoma August 22; Virginia August 23; Washington August 20.
If the Democratic Party decides to use the convention itself to choose a presidential nominee, and that process takes more than a day, there could be problems with some of the states listed above, especially Washington. In the past the Washington Secretary of State has accepted provision certification, but that might not work if there is no provisional certification. Provisional certification only works if it is possible to predict who the nominee will be.
Michigan requires the certification the day after the later of the party’s state or national conventions. The Michigan Democratic Party is free to have a special state convention at a late date.
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Post by stb12 on Jul 22, 2024 8:27:18 GMT
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Post by timmullen on Jul 22, 2024 8:32:16 GMT
The 2024 Democratic national convention dates are August 19-22. There are five states that require qualified parties to certify the names of their presidential nominees earlier than September 1: California August 22; Montana August 21; Oklahoma August 22; Virginia August 23; Washington August 20. If the Democratic Party decides to use the convention itself to choose a presidential nominee, and that process takes more than a day, there could be problems with some of the states listed above, especially Washington. In the past the Washington Secretary of State has accepted provision certification, but that might not work if there is no provisional certification. Provisional certification only works if it is possible to predict who the nominee will be. In my opinion, the Washington state deadline is unconstitutional. Constitutional challenges to early deadlines for candidates to get on ballots are adjudicated under the principles of Anderson v Celebrezze. Lower courts must balance the harm done to voting rights by the early deadline, versus the harm done to election administration if the deadline is set aside. It seems obvious that there is no genuine state interest in deadlines as early as Washington’s. States are not required to mail their overseas absentee ballots until September 21. Michigan requires the certification the day after the later of the party’s state or national conventions. The Michigan Democratic Party is free to have a special state convention at a late date. There was supposed to be a virtual nominating convention (the Rules Committee of the DNC were due to, and presumably did, meet last Friday to finalise the arrangements to formally nominate Biden, and the in person convention was intended just to be the big acceptance speech etc. There does seem to be a coalescing of support around Harris, according to the BBC some of the “big beasts” to endorse her are Newsom, Buttigieg, Warren, Klobuchar, Gov Shapiro of Pennsylvania, Ocasio-Cortez along with the Clintons and John Kerry. The New York Times reports Senate endorsements from Jon Ossoff, Tammy Baldwin, Martin Heinrich, Mark Kelly and Mark Warner. They also include an endorsement from Gov Roy Cooper of North Carolina. The Washington Post has a list of 178 members of Congress and Governors who have specifically endorsed her and 108 who have gone down the Obama’s route of “we will unite behind whoever is the nominee”. Presumably if no-one else throws their hat into the ring a similar virtual nominating convention can take place as was planned for Biden. |
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Post by graham on Jul 22, 2024 8:44:49 GMT
Biden's withdrawal will now likely give the Democrats a month of high profile media coverage . Likely to be pretty helpful to them.
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Post by batman on Jul 22, 2024 8:54:12 GMT
For those looking for bad news, this suggests the Biden family wasn't thinking about his country but his ratings. For the good news, if they were checking his ratings they'd have presumably checked Kamala's and that would have been in her favour. They would care about that, right? That's not entirely fair. I regard the defeat of Trump as a prerequisite for maintaining democracy & avoiding the creation of a tyranny in the US. I would not put it past Trump to attempt to change the constitution so that he can run for a 3rd term, and he has spoken about locking up political opponents. I do not trust the Supreme Court or other traditional checks & balances to thwart some of his more extreme political desires. Biden & most Democrats surely feel the same, so the only way to avoid this is a Democratic victory in the election. If he feels that he himself can't achieve that as a candidate, then by withdrawing he is thinking about the country as well as his ratings. |
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Post by adlai52 on Jul 22, 2024 8:58:10 GMT
Biden's withdrawal will now likely give the Democrats a month of high profile media coverage . Likely to be pretty helpful to them. You can already see a lot of helpful media buzz around the switch, combined with a successful convention you would expect it to give the Dems a strong lift in the polls. But... some of this is froth and the same factors that hampered Biden are likely to hamper Harris. I'm still not convinced that after the initial splash she is a sufficiently strong candidate to beat Trump. She probably loses ground on Biden in the MidWest and claws in back in the South West and Georgia - puts states like AZ and GA back in play at a stretch, but she probably doesn't improve on Biden in PA and WI. What this probably does do is scotch any Trump talk about expanding the map on the back of voters concerns around Biden's ability to do the job of president, back to a narrow map for the time being I suspect? |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 22, 2024 9:12:10 GMT
Can’t wait to see Harris run rings around Trump in the debates. LOL Can you translate this word salad for us? I think it means “we can do things in the future, and we won’t be prevented from doing those things by things which happened in the past.” If it’s necessary for me or her or anybody else to explain what it means, that’s already a problem. It reminds me of when Theresa May kept on saying “strong and stable” as if she thought it would magically win her a landslide victory, and I just wanted her to shut up. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 22, 2024 9:15:00 GMT
Biden's withdrawal will now likely give the Democrats a month of high profile media coverage . Likely to be pretty helpful to them. You can already see a lot of helpful media buzz around the switch, combined with a successful convention you would expect it to give the Dems a strong lift in the polls. But... some of this is froth and the same factors that hampered Biden are likely to hamper Harris. I'm still not convinced that after the initial splash she is a sufficiently strong candidate to beat Trump. She probably loses ground on Biden in the MidWest and claws in back in the South West and Georgia - puts states like AZ and GA back in play at a stretch, but she probably doesn't improve on Biden in PA and WI. What this probably does do is scotch any Trump talk about expanding the map on the back of voters concerns around Biden's ability to do the job of president, back to a narrow map for the time being I suspect? I thought this until I watched a video this morning on head to head polling so far which is to be taken with a pinch of salt. It looks very much like Georgia, Arizona and Nevada are gone even with her as the candidate. However, again with all the caveats, she was leading in Michigan and Penn State. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 22, 2024 9:25:04 GMT
When Joe Biden wakes up this morning, will he remember that he has withdrawn?
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