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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 21, 2024 21:05:57 GMT
The cope from the Trumpian right here is quite something. First, I hope that comment doesn't include me as I despise the tangerine. However, the only cope I see is from Dems. It was your lot who denied what we all knew to be true for years until you just couldn't any more. Then, without any hint of shame, immediately turned on the guy you've been backing for so long. I think a period of reflection is needed from the Biden backers to be honest. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 21, 2024 21:09:20 GMT
The last two national polls to have tested her against Trump, by Ipsos and YouGov show her performing significantly better than Biden - down 2 compared to 6 and all square compared to down 4. Her negatives aren't baked in yet. They will be. My prediction is she will do comparatively well in the polls and start falling some time after the convention She might have a chance if she goes all in on her prosecutorial background. A 'cop versus the felon' election could work in her favour. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 21, 2024 21:10:25 GMT
Correct in saying that LBJ is the last time an incumbent President eligible to run for another term didn’t end up doing so? There can't be many full-stop. Was Coolidge the last one before LBJ? |
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Post by Sandy on Jul 21, 2024 21:10:42 GMT
Biden and Harris are heathens. Joe Biden is a Catholic. Kamala Harris is a Baptist. Kamala's husband is Jewish. What’s your point caller? |
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Post by swanarcadian on Jul 21, 2024 21:16:23 GMT
Correct in saying that LBJ is the last time an incumbent President eligible to run for another term didn’t end up doing so? There can't be many full-stop. Was Coolidge the last one before LBJ? In Coolidge’s day, you could run for president as many times as you liked. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 21, 2024 21:17:02 GMT
FT sources reckon Newsom and Whitmer will endorse Harris.
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 21:18:12 GMT
Obamas weren't expected to endorse anyone. They stayed out of 2019/20 Dem nominations iirc Not endorsing someone in a Primary when there's a full field is different to not endorsing someone when she's supposed to be the only candidate. I suspect this won't matter unless others break. |
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 21:18:55 GMT
There can't be many full-stop. Was Coolidge the last one before LBJ? In Coolidge’s day, you could run for president as many times as you liked. But you didn't, hard to underestimate the shock of what FDR did |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 21, 2024 21:21:04 GMT
Correct in saying that LBJ is the last time an incumbent President eligible to run for another term didn’t end up doing so? There can't be many full-stop. Was Coolidge the last one before LBJ? As swanarcadian mentions term limits only officially came in after FDR’s time, it had seemed a bit of an unwritten convention prior to that. However there can’t be many examples who chose to not at least run for a second term |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 21, 2024 21:29:23 GMT
In Coolidge’s day, you could run for president as many times as you liked. But you didn't, hard to underestimate the shock of what FDR did It was the first time anyone went beyond two terms but it wasn’t exactly the first time someone tried. Off the top of my head Ulysses Grant tried to get a third term but couldn’t win the GOP nomination and Teddy Roosevelt attempted it with the Bull Moose Party. Think there were a couple of others who at least tried for their party nomination again |
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Post by riccimarsh on Jul 21, 2024 21:30:45 GMT
There can't be many full-stop. Was Coolidge the last one before LBJ? In Coolidge’s day, you could run for president as many times as you liked. As you can now. It’s only if you win twice that you have to stop. |
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Post by riccimarsh on Jul 21, 2024 21:33:49 GMT
I suspect that Biden's withdrawal will effectively reverse Trump's post - attempted assassination 'bounce' - and that the eventual nominee will also receive quite an initial polling boost. Why? Have they been assassinated? I accept not being senile will give a poll boost, because being openly senile is bad for poll numbers and would get worse over time. But smoke filled rooms and lack of a mandate from Primaries will be able to be exploited by the Trump campaign. And they will be. Some (not necessarily me) would argue that the Biden-Harris ticket was on the ballot in the Primaries, so there is at least some implied mandate for Harris. |
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 21:34:30 GMT
There's going to be a wide band of expectation about Kamala, most of it will be informed by prior views on Trump
On paper she should be be a strong candidate but she does do badly in Primaries and the reluctance to choose her wasn't racism and sexism, it was fear of her performance
She's an unknown quantity and so on balance it's fair to say this is a blow to Trump in that he was a Biden destroying machine, but the victory dances for the Democrats seem to be premature
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 21:35:46 GMT
Why? Have they been assassinated? I accept not being senile will give a poll boost, because being openly senile is bad for poll numbers and would get worse over time. But smoke filled rooms and lack of a mandate from Primaries will be able to be exploited by the Trump campaign. And they will be. Some (not necessarily me) would argue that the Biden-Harris ticket was on the ballot in the Primaries, so there is at least some implied mandate for Harris. When you're explaining you're winning Or is it the other way round? |
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Post by timmullen on Jul 21, 2024 21:37:20 GMT
Obamas weren't expected to endorse anyone. They stayed out of 2019/20 Dem nominations iirc And considering one of the few occasions Obama verbally erred during his Presidency was calling Harris “the best looking Attorney General in America” I think it’s safe to say they’re not frenemies. Obama’s office has issued a statement that’s being read on CNN but I can’t quickly locate via Google that says he will not endorse anybody because he is “uniquely placed” to help unify the Party behind the highly qualified nominee and will not therefore be “expressing a preference” for any potential candidate. |
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Post by cathyc on Jul 21, 2024 21:37:37 GMT
Joe Biden is a Catholic. Kamala Harris is a Baptist. Kamala's husband is Jewish. What’s your point caller? The fairly obvious point is that neither of them are heathen. Whereas the godless Trump is. |
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 21:38:50 GMT
As someone who's said that Biden was stupid for ever trying to run for a second term (from the point he was elected), the cope is clearly your own. Nope. To ditch the doolally but inoffensive grandad for somebody as unlikeable as Harris is a massive coup. It's switching a certain loss for a likely loss I can understand the relief but I'm puzzled by the jubilation |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 21, 2024 21:45:15 GMT
The jubilation is switching the certain loss for a likely loss (although I;d say its more like 40-60 right now, so all to play for)
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Post by timmullen on Jul 21, 2024 21:47:48 GMT
Correct in saying that LBJ is the last time an incumbent President eligible to run for another term didn’t end up doing so? There can't be many full-stop. Was Coolidge the last one before LBJ? Truman 1952 was exempted under the 22nd Amendment which only became law that year and specifically exempted the incumbent President (i.e. it only applied from that year’s election). |
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jul 21, 2024 21:51:02 GMT
The cope from the Trumpian right here is quite something. First, I hope that comment doesn't include me as I despise the tangerine. However, the only cope I see is from Dems. It was your lot who denied what we all knew to be true for years until you just couldn't any more. Then, without any hint of shame, immediately turned on the guy you've been backing for so long. I think a period of reflection is needed from the Biden backers to be honest. What do Biden backers have to reflect upon? There's no hint in any statement he made that the vicious smears about his cognitive abilities have any credence. |
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