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Post by observer on Jul 18, 2024 8:56:36 GMT
That post was liked by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ and I also think there is much merit to it. Of course Lammy has made some performative comments to appeal to his base, and as with Abbot his base is black people including thick black people. But Lammy is clearly far from thick and its hard to read all the assertions that he is without beginning to detect a smell of racism. Now Dawn Butler, that is another matter. And Rishi Sunak was not utterly crap because of the colour of his skin. Lammy certainly isn't thick, but he does say thick things more than the average for a politician. I don't know why he says thick things, because he isn't thick, but he still says them. And unfortunately for him they're often memorably thick, like his white smoke comment or the sociopathic neo-Nazi comment. I have said repeatedly that Lammy isn't thick because I know his background and just have no explanation for how such an intelligent person's propensity to say thick things. Other people know little about his background and only see him say thick things. Drawing that conclusion, without knowing about his background isn't racist - it's logical. Most people who say thick things are actually thick whatever the colour of their skin. Lammy says the things he says because he is an adherent of identity politics and a believer in critical race theory He IS actually thick |
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Post by mboy on Jul 18, 2024 9:08:55 GMT
No, lots of very intelligent people are adherents of identity politics and believers in critical race theory. They are quasi-religions, and lots of very intelligent people believe in religions as well, despite them being objectively absurd. Religions and quasi-religions unfortunately have attractions that go outside and beyond the rational.
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Post by right on Jul 18, 2024 9:09:51 GMT
Lammy certainly isn't thick, but he does say thick things more than the average for a politician. I don't know why he says thick things, because he isn't thick, but he still says them. And unfortunately for him they're often memorably thick, like his white smoke comment or the sociopathic neo-Nazi comment. I have said repeatedly that Lammy isn't thick because I know his background and just have no explanation for how such an intelligent person's propensity to say thick things. Other people know little about his background and only see him say thick things. Drawing that conclusion, without knowing about his background isn't racist - it's logical. Most people who say thick things are actually thick whatever the colour of their skin. Lammy says the things he says because he is an adherent of identity politics and a believer in critical race theory He IS actually thick I think he may be overcompensating for not being a big believer in identity politics |
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Post by observer on Jul 18, 2024 9:11:09 GMT
No, lots of very intelligent people are adherents of identity politics and believers in critical race theory. They are quasi-religions, and lots of very intelligent people believe in religions as well, despite them being objectively absurd. Lots of 'educated' people believe in those things. Not 'intelligent'. Two entirely different things. We are NOT prisoners of our identity. We have intelligence and free will |
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 18, 2024 9:23:06 GMT
Lammy certainly isn't thick, but he does say thick things more than the average for a politician. I don't know why he says thick things, because he isn't thick, but he still says them. And unfortunately for him they're often memorably thick, like his white smoke comment or the sociopathic neo-Nazi comment. I have said repeatedly that Lammy isn't thick because I know his background and just have no explanation for how such an intelligent person's propensity to say thick things. Other people know little about his background and only see him say thick things. Drawing that conclusion, without knowing about his background isn't racist - it's logical. Most people who say thick things are actually thick whatever the colour of their skin.
I think his propensity to say thick things is indeed due to his race. All the thick things he says are intended to appeal to his base support. I also think that these being represented as him being thick is also due to his race.
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Post by right on Jul 18, 2024 9:41:32 GMT
Lammy certainly isn't thick, but he does say thick things more than the average for a politician. I don't know why he says thick things, because he isn't thick, but he still says them. And unfortunately for him they're often memorably thick, like his white smoke comment or the sociopathic neo-Nazi comment. I have said repeatedly that Lammy isn't thick because I know his background and just have no explanation for how such an intelligent person's propensity to say thick things. Other people know little about his background and only see him say thick things. Drawing that conclusion, without knowing about his background isn't racist - it's logical. Most people who say thick things are actually thick whatever the colour of their skin. I think his propensity to say thick things is indeed due to his race. All the thick things he says are intended to appeal to his base support. I also think that these being represented as him being thick is also due to his race. That may have been true ten years ago, but I suspect that there's currently a lot of pride in where he is and that was the case when he was shadow minister. It probably was the case when he was an MP. And saying that the Second World War was fought (by the allies) for European unity can not be explained through the prism of appeasing a West Indian base. The West Indian base is locked in. I've encountered many problematic facets within West Indian culture, but disliking a role model like Lammy is not one of them. Even the sort who would have bullied someone like him at school are proud of someone who puts on a suit and succeeds in the wider world through brains and hard work. As for their mothers... No he's smart enough to know he doesn't need to worry about that part of the base. It's the middle class leftists who try to believe that men can convert to women but twenty year old gay men can't convert to thirty year old straight men they're the problem. And they're rather suspicious at what like Lammy really thinks about them (heck, they're worried what the whiter and more secular Keir and Angie really think about them). So women don't need cervixes. Another part of the problem are those centrists who freaked out about the Brexit vote. Lammy certainly didn't vote their way, but his hard luck stories are in his childhood, not his parents' or grandparents'. So we fought against Hitler for, not against, European unity. These aren't conscious lapses, but they're a result of very hard work to internalise a world view that may not be obvious from the lived experience of an intelligent, meritocratic working class black man made good, but they are certainly advantageous. So the slips that he makes that make him appear stupid may be the price paid for slips that he would make that would make him appear unacceptable. And that seems to have been a good trade off. Just got to smooth over the unfortunate Trump comments. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 18, 2024 12:34:36 GMT
Lammy is most plainly not "thick" - how many thick people get to do postgraduate study at Harvard? - and actually has views on some subjects that go outside the liberal-left mainstream and which even the likes of observer might agree with (if they could bring themselves to - as they are fond of telling others - "open their mind") |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 18, 2024 12:54:52 GMT
The mood music certainly seems to be that Biden is on his way out. That must be a blow to Trump, if indeed it happens. All indications are that it is done and they are just working out the details. The amusing things is that Biden could have announced a year ago that he would not seek a second term on the basis of "mission accomplished" and "time to hand over to the next generation" and he would have left the stage with a substantial political legacy almost completely intact. His senility and unfitness for office could have easily been covered up if not for the campaign. Now his political career almost certainly ends in disaster and even if he steps down he will still take much of the blame if Trump wins in November. |
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Post by right on Jul 18, 2024 13:12:11 GMT
Lammy is most plainly not "thick" - how many thick people get to do postgraduate study at Harvard? - and actually has views on some subjects that go outside the liberal-left mainstream and which even the likes of observer might agree with (if they could bring themselves to - as they are fond of telling others - "open their mind") I was going to say that the thick things he does say tend to be on the liberal left side of things. And yes they tend to. But not always. When looking for examples I came across this: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6377941/Labour-MP-David-Lammy-criticised-Tweet-getting-time-two-minute-silence-wrong.htmlCan't we just explain to Trump that despite the fact he's really bright, he just goes way over quota for stupid things and no one's worked out why? |
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Post by mboy on Jul 18, 2024 13:13:55 GMT
Trump's own VP called him Hitler. We don't need to explain anything to anyone.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 18, 2024 13:25:04 GMT
The beauty with Trump is that he is almost entirely transactional. He won't care what Lammy said years ago, or even weeks ago, he will deal with Lammy if he thinks there is something in it for him.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 18, 2024 13:55:01 GMT
The beauty with Trump is that he is almost entirely transactional. He won't care what Lammy said years ago, or even weeks ago, he will deal with Lammy if he thinks there is something in it for him. Trump seems to be most put out by emotive flannel. There was a great story the other week about Xavier Bettel trying to assert that Trump was insufficiently appreciative of the Luxembourgish armed forces- Trump apparently just rolled his eyes at him, and everyone else in the room wondered what Bettel was smoking. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 18, 2024 14:07:51 GMT
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Post by right on Jul 18, 2024 14:08:16 GMT
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 18, 2024 15:11:58 GMT
It is a genuine threat and the plan to formally nominate ahead of the convention has been in place well before Biden's debate debacle. |
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Post by right on Jul 18, 2024 15:34:05 GMT
It is a genuine threat and the plan to formally nominate ahead of the convention has been in place well before Biden's debate debacle. But the Ohio governor has said that this is not an issue after the plans were put in place |
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Post by right on Jul 18, 2024 15:43:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2024 15:44:24 GMT
TL:DR; old person gets an illness. |
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Post by right on Jul 18, 2024 15:46:44 GMT
TL:DR; old person gets an illness. Apart from the noteworthy pressure on him from almost all corners of the Democrat leadership which fills about 80% of the article up, yeah |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2024 15:48:01 GMT
TL:DR; old person gets an illness. Apart from the noteworthy pressure on him from almost all corners of the Democrat leadership which fills about 80% of the article up, yeah They can do one. Congreswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has wisely backed Biden and set herself up nicely to challenge for Chuck Schumer's Senate seat in 2028. |
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