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Post by johnloony on Jul 15, 2024 20:39:55 GMT
Trump likely to get something he didn't in 2016 which will further legitimise his Presidency. More votes than the Democratic candidate He did get that in 2016 (304 v. 227) |
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Post by right on Jul 15, 2024 20:46:59 GMT
Trump likely to get something he didn't in 2016 which will further legitimise his Presidency. More votes than the Democratic candidate He did get that in 2016 (304 v. 227) Not in the popular vote he didn't |
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Post by right on Jul 15, 2024 20:47:49 GMT
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Post by norflondon on Jul 15, 2024 20:57:10 GMT
Yh sorry I should have written "popular vote".
American Indian community (SE Asian I mean) gets another boost as new VP has a Hindu 2nd generation immigrant wife
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 15, 2024 21:03:40 GMT
Yh sorry I should have written "popular vote". American Indian community (SE Asian I mean) gets another boost as new VP has a Hindu 2nd generation immigrant wife It would break the Republican's long run(bar 2004) of losing the popular vote going back to 1992 |
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Post by mboy on Jul 15, 2024 21:06:09 GMT
The JD Vance of 8 years ago would have been an interesting VP. He was a sharp and honest right-winger for the working class. The JDV of today is a caricature puppet of Trump who brings nothing to any situation other than hot air and butt kissing for Trump. He'll cement the pro-Putin rot at the top of the US Govt. Sad times.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 15, 2024 21:10:14 GMT
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Post by timmullen on Jul 15, 2024 21:12:53 GMT
The JD Vance of 8 years ago would have been an interesting VP. He was a sharp and honest right-winger for the working class. The JDV of today is a caricature puppet of Trump who brings nothing to any situation other than hot air and butt kissing for Trump. He'll cement the pro-Putin rot at the top of the US Govt. Sad times. Anybody looked up the rules for replacing a Senator in Ohio? If it’s a Governor’s appointment then Mike DeWine is not an ardent Trump fan (and a former Senator - beaten by Sherrod Brown) who may try to rebalance the Senate Republican caucus in a more traditional way with his appointee. |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 15, 2024 21:15:36 GMT
The JD Vance of 8 years ago would have been an interesting VP. He was a sharp and honest right-winger for the working class. The JDV of today is a caricature puppet of Trump who brings nothing to any situation other than hot air and butt kissing for Trump. He'll cement the pro-Putin rot at the top of the US Govt. Sad times. Anybody looked up the rules for replacing a Senator in Ohio? If it’s a Governor’s appointment then Mike DeWine is not an ardent Trump fan (and a former Senator - beaten by Sherrod Brown) who may try to rebalance the Senate Republican caucus in a more traditional way with his appointee. Not long posted about it in the non-presidential elections thread |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 15, 2024 21:17:16 GMT
The JD Vance of 8 years ago would have been an interesting VP. He was a sharp and honest right-winger for the working class. The JDV of today is a caricature puppet of Trump who brings nothing to any situation other than hot air and butt kissing for Trump. He'll cement the pro-Putin rot at the top of the US Govt. Sad times. I hope we, the UK, have a plan on what to do if NATO collapses and the US retreats further into isolationism and/or authoritarianism. These are very real prospects now. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 15, 2024 21:26:02 GMT
The JD Vance of 8 years ago would have been an interesting VP. He was a sharp and honest right-winger for the working class. The JDV of today is a caricature puppet of Trump who brings nothing to any situation other than hot air and butt kissing for Trump. He'll cement the pro-Putin rot at the top of the US Govt. Sad times. I hope we, the UK, have a plan on what to do if NATO collapses and the US retreats further into isolationism and/or authoritarianism. These are very real prospects now. The UK left the EU. What 'plan'? |
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Post by timmullen on Jul 15, 2024 21:29:17 GMT
Anybody looked up the rules for replacing a Senator in Ohio? If it’s a Governor’s appointment then Mike DeWine is not an ardent Trump fan (and a former Senator - beaten by Sherrod Brown) who may try to rebalance the Senate Republican caucus in a more traditional way with his appointee. Not long posted about it in the non-presidential elections thread Just seen it - am reading post notifications from people oldest to newest and pretty infrequently. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 15, 2024 21:35:49 GMT
The JD Vance of 8 years ago would have been an interesting VP. He was a sharp and honest right-winger for the working class. The JDV of today is a caricature puppet of Trump who brings nothing to any situation other than hot air and butt kissing for Trump. He'll cement the pro-Putin rot at the top of the US Govt. Sad times. I hope we, the UK, have a plan on what to do if NATO collapses and the US retreats further into isolationism and/or authoritarianism. These are very real prospects now. I'm worried that we have our own all-too powerful isolationist voices here, bit least Nigel Farage, currently flying to be at Trump's side. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 15, 2024 21:37:15 GMT
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 15, 2024 21:44:50 GMT
I hope we, the UK, have a plan on what to do if NATO collapses and the US retreats further into isolationism and/or authoritarianism. These are very real prospects now.The last 2 posts summarise everything that is terrifying for the UK about what may be about to unfold. I lived through the Cold War but I've never been more worried about the existential threat to our nation as a Western Democracy more than I do right now. I'm far more worried about an emboldened Putin (if Ukraine is allowed to fall) than I ever was about the Soviet Union. Any weakening of NATO (mainly driven by the US of course) combined with our 'separation' from our closest democratic neighbours in Europe makes us potential sitting ducks. Of course Trump/vance could be all talk, no substance, but at this moment in time we can only judge from what they both say or have said. Placations of "dont worry, they wont really abandon NATO. It's all election talk" are not sufficiently reassuring at the present time. |
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Post by mboy on Jul 15, 2024 21:52:32 GMT
They won't just abandon NATO, they'll abandon Taiwan.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 15, 2024 21:59:41 GMT
The UK left the EU. What 'plan'? The last 2 posts summarise everything that is terrifying for the UK about what may be about to unfold. I lived through the Cold War but I've never been more worried about the existential threat to our nation as a Western Democracy more than I do right now. I'm far more worried about an emboldened Putin (if Ukraine is allowed to fall) than I ever was about the Soviet Union. Any weakening of NATO (mainly driven by the US of course) combined with our 'separation' from our closest democratic neighbours in Europe makes us potential sitting ducks. Of course Trump/vance could be all talk, no substance, but at this moment in time we can only judge from what they both say or have said. Placations of "dont worry, they wont really abandon NATO. It's all election talk" are not sufficiently reassuring at the present time. I share your wariness. We're hurtling towards destruction because rich white men have grown bored. With few wars to engage in, and most of their respective populations giving more money to Amazon and Disney etc, they've chosen to isolate their countries and then blow us to bits. Use Constitutions to destroy themselves, like self-destructive paper in the comics. Brexit looks all the more ridiculous now the US is about to enter its dark period. |
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Post by timmullen on Jul 15, 2024 22:10:18 GMT
They won't just abandon NATO, they'll abandon Taiwan. Am not so sure, his allies in the House are passing reams of pro-Taiwanese legislation, and the House version of the Defense Appropriations Bill includes about three times as much funding for Taiwan and the South China Sea area than in the original request. They also want to withdraw from the AUKUS submarine deal because of Albanese signing a trade deal with Beijing. |
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Post by right on Jul 15, 2024 22:11:10 GMT
They won't just abandon NATO, they'll abandon Taiwan. It would probably be wise to, as it's OK to park your military in another powers' back garden if they're prostrate, but that will unwind when they pick themselves up as China is now But Trump and Vance are very hostile towards China Russia is a distraction to a lot of China hawks |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 15, 2024 22:30:23 GMT
They won't just abandon NATO, they'll abandon Taiwan. It would probably be wise to, as it's OK to park your military in another powers' back garden if they're prostrate, but that will unwind when they pick themselves up as China is now But Trump and Vance are very hostile towards China Russia is a distraction to a lot of China hawks America goes through Atlanticist phases and Pacificist phases. I think we're seeing a move towards a more "American Pond" era that underlined the Korean War, Vietnam War, rebuilding Japan as a bulwark against Communism. There is also the attraction of fewer countries to deal with over the Pacific than the dozens and dozens of little piddling places over the Atlantic*. *I'm trying to remember, was that Kissinger? "I have to phone two dozen people in Europe, I only have to phone one person in  ?." |
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