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Post by manchesterman on Jul 14, 2024 17:16:44 GMT
Of course we should always be even handed and reflect on the reaction of leaders across the Western World and former US leaders to the shameful (failed) murderous attack on Trump (eg Biden, Obama, Clinton, Starmer, Macron etc) who all expressed their revulsion at the attack and condemned it emphatically and unreservedly
We should also take the time to reflect on the reaction of Trump to a failed murderous attack on one of his biggest political foes...
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Post by right on Jul 14, 2024 17:54:29 GMT
I see nothing inaccurate in anything Lammy has said there. The shock of this event does not change the facts as stated. The idea that he's no friend of Britain is just demonstrably false. Whatever you think of his personal characteristics, he was one of the most pro-British Presidents in decades. Lots of people confused their understandable distaste for Trump with a view that if course the fat smelly boy disliked us. But he loved the UK. |
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Post by right on Jul 14, 2024 18:06:59 GMT
I think Lammy was on the back benches when he made his comments on Trump. I don’t myself think they were terribly sensible , but many will have agreed with him, and outspoken back benchers prepared to give an voice to opinions in the country are a vigorous and useful part of political life in this country. I’m sure, though, he now wishes he’d never made them and when he did he won’t have done so with any thought to his possible future. So in a way I have sympathy with him. My criticism is of Starmer and his judgement. He will have weighed this up and must have decided that the awkwardness for him personally and within his party in moving Lammy outweighed that likely to ensue in our relationship with the US should Trump win back the presidency. Presumably crossing his fingers and hoping it won’t arise. And it may not : his luck may continue! But it strikes me as a bit weak and a bit foolish. Yes, I think this is precisely right. These are nowhere near Lammy's stupidest tweets or sayings, and they are totally understandable from his vantage point at the time. But Starmer put a timebomb under his foreign policy by appointing Lammy. I suspect Starmer didn't know because he doesn't really pay attention to things like this, he's clearly bored by and bad at day to day politics and this is going to tell again and again. Delegating this stuff to others who live for politics when you're LOTO probably works because these people will be surrounding you. But the Civil Service does that in government, and putting them into second place will be highly problematic. If he was up against a competent Tory party it would have told during the election. But he wasn't so it didn't. |
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Post by right on Jul 14, 2024 18:18:51 GMT
The BBC getting dragged in... And Moscow are trying to claim that the Azov Brigade are behind it... C'mon now folks, this is getting desperate - a Fox/Murdoch tabloid offshoot is trying to say that a Republican registered kid in Hicksville PA was persuaded to take a gun and shoot the ex-President by the words of a London-based radio commentator? I'm sure that this line has nothing to do with the long-running Murdoch crusade against the BBC... I think he was the most prominent person to have recently done this, but there may have been other examples. It seemed to be widely debated at the time. I'd need better evidence before I thought he influenced the killer, but it's certainly not implausible. If there was a reasonably solid link (and I doubt there will be) then he could be exploring the ins and outs of Blair's one sided extradition treaty with the States. I hope he was critical of it in the past and supported Assange's fight against extradition. Even if there's not a solid link, the US might try it any way as it reads like incitement- and that may be an overcompensating Biden regime. Both criminalising poor taste "jokes" and our current extradition arrangements with the Stares are both appalling. |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jul 14, 2024 20:21:52 GMT
The media needs a good look at itself. They have whipped up such hatred that I would not be surprised if there is another attack on Trump. I have suspected something similar for a long time now I have been expecting one on Biden as well.
just popped on my timeline.
FBI: Assassination attempt used a legally purchased semi-automatic rifle
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Post by observer on Jul 14, 2024 20:33:43 GMT
The media needs a good look at itself. They have whipped up such hatred that I would not be surprised if there is another attack on Trump. I have suspected something similar for a long time now I have been expecting one on Biden as well.
just popped on my timeline.
FBI: Assassination attempt used a legally purchased semi-automatic rifle
I wonder if some Democrats have been planning on removing the embarrassment of Boden😂 |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 14, 2024 20:34:28 GMT
I have been expecting one on Biden as well.
just popped on my timeline.
FBI: Assassination attempt used a legally purchased semi-automatic rifle
I wonder if some Democrats have been planning on removing the embarrassment of Boden😂 Boden has made a catalogue of errors. |
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Post by redtony on Jul 14, 2024 21:01:13 GMT
David:s father was a Stalinist
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 14, 2024 21:10:59 GMT
The media didn't whip up Jan 6. Trump did.
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Post by observer on Jul 14, 2024 21:24:38 GMT
The media didn't whip up Jan 6. Trump did. They misrepresented it shamefully |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 14, 2024 21:31:04 GMT
The media didn't whip up Jan 6. Trump did. They misrepresented it shamefully Trump called them to arms ("It will be wild"), championed the Proud Boys, refused to call in support to stop the rioters and has promised to pardon those he calls 'political prisoners'. Trump whipped up every inch of hate you could point an assault rifle at. |
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Post by observer on Jul 14, 2024 21:34:39 GMT
They misrepresented it shamefully Trump called them to arms ("It will be wild"), championed the Proud Boys, refused to call in support to stop the rioters and has promised to pardon those he calls 'political prisoners'. Trump whipped up every inch of hate you could point an assault rifle at. Didn't he tell them expressly to protest peacefully? Almost all of them did so The hate was whipped up by the Left who saw an opportunity to generate hate against Trump |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jul 14, 2024 21:42:29 GMT
I have been expecting one on Biden as well.
just popped on my timeline.
FBI: Assassination attempt used a legally purchased semi-automatic rifle
I wonder if some Democrats have been planning on removing the embarrassment of Boden😂 They are messing about with his auto cue at the moment, next they will start calling Kamila Mrs President and ignore Joe |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 14, 2024 21:46:14 GMT
Trump called them to arms ("It will be wild"), championed the Proud Boys, refused to call in support to stop the rioters and has promised to pardon those he calls 'political prisoners'. Trump whipped up every inch of hate you could point an assault rifle at. Didn't he tell them expressly to protest peacefully? Almost all of them did so The hate was whipped up by the Left who saw an opportunity to generate hate against Trump The Left encouraged a group of Trump supporters to break into the Capitol Building? Okay. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 14, 2024 21:48:03 GMT
That photograph is iconic and classic in the Sands of Iwo Jima artwork and reality from WW2. It is not 'moronic' for such an image to sway a section of the electorate, but unfortunate. It will have a dramatic effect. Trump decisely won the election TODAY. I understand why you might think that, but we are still four months away from the election. Four months is a long time in politics. All sorts of things could happen in the campaign, in terms of policy or whatever else. It may be that Biden’s gaffes last week will turnout to be a transient blip; he might recover and be fluent and convincing for the rest of the campaign. When there was a delay in confirming the candidacy of Diane Abbot six weeks before the general election, it was being reported as if it were a major crisis which would overshadow the whole campaign. It didn’t. Just before dark I looked out for the mass fly past of pink pigs. Didn't happen. Senility rules ... OK? |
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Post by observer on Jul 14, 2024 21:52:52 GMT
Didn't he tell them expressly to protest peacefully? Almost all of them did so The hate was whipped up by the Left who saw an opportunity to generate hate against Trump The Left encouraged a group of Trump supporters to break into the Capitol Building? Okay. Where did I say that? |
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Post by observer on Jul 14, 2024 22:16:44 GMT
This hatred of Trump is really hatred of ordinary citizens with non-woke opinions.
Such good people were labelled 'deplorable' by Clinton. She characterised them as racists, white supremacists, sexists and on and on and on.
The anger and hatred felt towards these 'deplorables' stems from the fact that they won't do as the left tells them to.
As with Remain voters in the UK these people had been used to getting their own way...with their 'inferiors' knowing their place. Egged on by the media by spurious allegations that ordinary people were idiots they got angrier and angrier. The media and the Dems fed this with the Steele dossier, allegations that their opponents were fascists etc.
They have been making their gullible supporters into a coiled, overwound spring ..with the consequences we saw today
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jul 14, 2024 22:32:02 GMT
This hatred of Trump is really hatred of ordinary citizens with non-woke opinions. Such good people were labelled 'deplorable' by Clinton. She characterised them as racists, white supremacists, sexists and on and on and on. The anger and hatred felt towards these 'deplorables' stems from the fact that they won't do as the left tells them to. As with Remain voters in the UK these people had been used to getting their own way...with their 'inferiors' knowing their place. Egged on by the media by spurious allegations that ordinary people were idiots they got angrier and angrier. The media and the Dems fed this with the Steele dossier, allegations that their opponents were fascists etc. They have been making their gullible supporters into a coiled, overwound spring ..with the consequences we saw today Call me old-fashioned but he is a fucking deviant |
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Post by right on Jul 14, 2024 22:35:17 GMT
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Post by observer on Jul 14, 2024 22:37:30 GMT
This hatred of Trump is really hatred of ordinary citizens with non-woke opinions. Such good people were labelled 'deplorable' by Clinton. She characterised them as racists, white supremacists, sexists and on and on and on. The anger and hatred felt towards these 'deplorables' stems from the fact that they won't do as the left tells them to. As with Remain voters in the UK these people had been used to getting their own way...with their 'inferiors' knowing their place. Egged on by the media by spurious allegations that ordinary people were idiots they got angrier and angrier. The media and the Dems fed this with the Steele dossier, allegations that their opponents were fascists etc. They have been making their gullible supporters into a coiled, overwound spring ..with the consequences we saw today Call me old-fashioned but he is a fucking deviant He may be. He may not be. What matters is that his values align with most Americans. The values of the wokies don't...so they have to constantly whip people up ...and that has led to the hatred on the so-called Left. |
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