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Post by right on Jul 14, 2024 14:39:59 GMT
Lammy does have form though...  I see nothing inaccurate in anything Lammy has said there. The shock of this event does not change the facts as stated. To deny any American President the full state visit treatment would have been insane |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 14, 2024 14:41:11 GMT
Whilst I'm not overly convinced that Lammy is as good as he thinks he is, I thought those on the right were wholly opposed to people being held to account for "historical tweets"  |
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Post by right on Jul 14, 2024 14:41:23 GMT
Not a single word of that is untrue. Whether that’s the case or not diplomacy doesn’t always involve the truth, certainly not in public anyway But the point is it’s from years ago when he was on the backbenches It's probably a good idea to do a job swap now rather than create a vacancy if Trump gets in |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 14, 2024 14:44:38 GMT
Whether that’s the case or not diplomacy doesn’t always involve the truth, certainly not in public anyway But the point is it’s from years ago when he was on the backbenches It's probably a good idea to do a job swap now rather than create a vacancy if Trump gets in Not happening, he’s in position now and looking like a foreign leader or potential foreign leader (even if it is the US) was influencing cabinet choices would look too weak As I say I don’t think holding a grudge against David Lammy will be high on Trump’s priority list if there at all |
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Post by hengog on Jul 14, 2024 14:44:58 GMT
I’m not in favour of digging out old tweets ( or any other kind of recorded opinion ) in order to damage people’s reputation, although we have seen this practice ruthlessly applied to so many people in public life in recent years, even when the comments are very old and often from the target’s youth. A practice I think particularly common among the ‘woke’ left. But this is going to be very awkward : they are not that old, and clearly relevant to Lammy’s current job. Personally I hope Trump doesn’t become President again , but if he does, it will be a considerable embarrassment if Lammy remains as Foreign Secretary. And all but guarantees a difficult relationship with our most important ally . And for what? Yet how could Starmer move him now? It’s looking like a real blunder to have appointed him- and appears to have put the interest of country second to personal and party concerns.
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Post by London Lad on Jul 14, 2024 14:47:01 GMT
Lammy does have form though... I see nothing inaccurate in anything Lammy has said there. The shock of this event does not change the facts as stated. And when little old David pitches up in Washington next year trying to get a hearing from the new Trump Administration?..... |
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Post by observer on Jul 14, 2024 14:47:25 GMT
Lammy does have form though... Lammy is surely projecting his own personality |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 14, 2024 14:50:35 GMT
Lammy does have form though... I see nothing inaccurate in anything Lammy has said there. The shock of this event does not change the facts as stated. The idea that he's no friend of Britain is just demonstrably false. Whatever you think of his personal characteristics, he was one of the most pro-British Presidents in decades. |
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Post by agedlikewine on Jul 14, 2024 14:50:39 GMT
I see nothing inaccurate in anything Lammy has said there. The shock of this event does not change the facts as stated. And when little old David pitches up in Washington next year trying to get a hearing from the new Trump Administration?..... Great to see "patriots" like you not stand up for your countries interests in such a situation. Owning the libs/left is much more valuable apparently. You scored your internet points. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 14, 2024 14:52:04 GMT
I see nothing inaccurate in anything Lammy has said there. The shock of this event does not change the facts as stated. And when little old David pitches up in Washington next year trying to get a hearing from the new Trump Administration?..... We deal with that if or when it happens. We get rebuffed or ignored, ho hum, at least there's our EU allies to fall back o.....ah, yeah, whoops |
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Post by observer on Jul 14, 2024 14:57:23 GMT
And when little old David pitches up in Washington next year trying to get a hearing from the new Trump Administration?..... Great to see "patriots" like you not stand up for your countries interests in such a situation. Owning the libs/left is much more valuable apparently. You scored your internet points. Surely he's highlighting the hypocrisy of the Left? They would complain like crazy about something they do themselves |
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Post by London Lad on Jul 14, 2024 14:58:01 GMT
And when little old David pitches up in Washington next year trying to get a hearing from the new Trump Administration?..... Great to see "patriots" like you not stand up for your countries interests in such a situation. Owning the libs/left is much more valuable apparently. You scored your internet points. How is being offensive to the leader of our closest ally being patriotic? - would love to know. |
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Post by London Lad on Jul 14, 2024 14:59:14 GMT
And when little old David pitches up in Washington next year trying to get a hearing from the new Trump Administration?..... We deal with that if or when it happens. We get rebuffed or ignored, ho hum, at least there's our EU allies to fall back o.....ah, yeah, whoops Yes - the great EU war machine is going to strike fear into all our enemies...  |
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Post by London Lad on Jul 14, 2024 15:08:36 GMT
The BBC getting dragged in...
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Post by bigfatron on Jul 14, 2024 15:11:13 GMT
I see nothing inaccurate in anything Lammy has said there. The shock of this event does not change the facts as stated. The idea that he's no friend of Britain is just demonstrably false. Whatever you think of his personal characteristics, he was one of the most pro-British Presidents in decades. In what way was Trump one of the most pro-British presidents in decades? Agreed Biden is not strongly pro-British, but is he as, let alone more, pro-British compared to Clinton, Obama, Bush 1 & 2 or Reagan where in each case I can think of some instance of really close cooperation. I'm genuinely interested in how you come to that conclusion... |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jul 14, 2024 15:16:08 GMT
I’m not in favour of digging out old tweets ( or any other kind of recorded opinion ) in order to damage people’s reputation, although we have seen this practice ruthlessly applied to so many people in public life in recent years, even when the comments are very old and often from the target’s youth. A practice I think particularly common among the ‘woke’ left. But this is going to be very awkward : they are not that old, and clearly relevant to Lammy’s current job. Personally I hope Trump doesn’t become President again , but if he does, it will be a considerable embarrassment if Lammy remains as Foreign Secretary. And all but guarantees a difficult relationship with our most important ally . And for what? Yet how could Starmer move him now? It’s looking like a real blunder to have appointed him- and appears to have put the interest of country second to personal and party concerns. I'm not going to defend Lammy as he's posted things he shouldn't have on twit. The only question I'm going to ask is, was he just following Donald Trump's example when he used it in the way he did? Two wrongs don't make a right! I'm glad Trump survived. I thought he was going to win before this and still do now. In the end, like last time, he won't be as bad a president as people are making out he will be. A good one no, as bad as the scaremongerers say, no. |
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Post by ibfc on Jul 14, 2024 15:24:02 GMT
On the immediate consequences this is actually very good for Joe Biden. After over two weeks of near endless media coverage of his woes we are going to have days if not weeks where the focus is almost entirely on Trump. Which of course is good for Trump as Biden not dropping out is a definitive positive for Trump. |
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Post by bigfatron on Jul 14, 2024 15:24:12 GMT
The BBC getting dragged in... And Moscow are trying to claim that the Azov Brigade are behind it... C'mon now folks, this is getting desperate - a Fox/Murdoch tabloid offshoot is trying to say that a Republican registered kid in Hicksville PA was persuaded to take a gun and shoot the ex-President by the words of a London-based radio commentator? I'm sure that this line has nothing to do with the long-running Murdoch crusade against the BBC... |
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Post by hengog on Jul 14, 2024 15:41:17 GMT
I think Lammy was on the back benches when he made his comments on Trump. I don’t myself think they were terribly sensible , but many will have agreed with him, and outspoken back benchers prepared to give an voice to opinions in the country are a vigorous and useful part of political life in this country.
I’m sure, though, he now wishes he’d never made them and when he did he won’t have done so with any thought to his possible future. So in a way I have sympathy with him. My criticism is of Starmer and his judgement. He will have weighed this up and must have decided that the awkwardness for him personally and within his party in moving Lammy outweighed that likely to ensue in our relationship with the US should Trump win back the presidency. Presumably crossing his fingers and hoping it won’t arise. And it may not : his luck may continue! But it strikes me as a bit weak and a bit foolish.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 14, 2024 16:25:42 GMT
I'm on safe territory assuming that there are many world figures who will think the same, or similar, about Trump. There must be acres of secret messaging by security forces detailing the myriad reasons why he's unstable, unsuitable, barely competent, and barely trusted; the Lammy tweets are in the public domain and that's a problem. I'm sure there will be a series of apologetic statements and pieces to camera in the coming months if the result of the election looks like it's going a certain way.
I suspect a lot of leaders are, behind the scenes, preparing for a lot more than just what words to use if the US re-elects a felon obsessed with revenge as President.
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