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Post by Merseymike on Dec 9, 2020 14:21:45 GMT
Now, I'm speaking as an atheist here, however: all of these people who were praying for a Trump victory and what not? Surely if you pray that hard for something and get the complete and opposite result, then, if there was a God, he's trying to give you a bloody unsubtle message? Well, I don't pray for election victories (I pray that the those in power remember they are servants not masters). As so many supporters of the President tend to quote their view of an Old Testament God who doesn't often do subtle, they need to remember how God responded to those who assumed God's authority. In these New Testament times, the Donald has got off lightly. It's the assumption that they know God's response!
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Post by CatholicLeft on Dec 9, 2020 14:29:59 GMT
Well, I don't pray for election victories (I pray that the those in power remember they are servants not masters). As so many supporters of the President tend to quote their view of an Old Testament God who doesn't often do subtle, they need to remember how God responded to those who assumed God's authority. In these New Testament times, the Donald has got off lightly. It's the assumption that they know God's response! When assumptions become presumptions, it rarely ends well.
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Post by mboy on Dec 9, 2020 14:32:52 GMT
This doesn't look good in Georgia. Could be hysteria, but it doesn't make many motivated loons who have been given radicalisation and a cause and a grudge to cause major trouble (c.f. Islamist terrorism)
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 9, 2020 15:53:25 GMT
Was he the 7th beatle?
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 9, 2020 17:36:13 GMT
I just tweeted my congratulations to him on being the first to do so! A great achievement!
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Post by john07 on Dec 9, 2020 18:29:22 GMT
It once was said that "As goes Maine, so goes the Nation".
After this was busted in 1932, in 1936 it was amended to "As goes Maine so goes Vermont".
(Sorry for repeating this but had to be said.)
It's a pity that Al Gore didn't argue that no-one had previously won New York and California and lost the election.
Even if he didn't win it by a lot!
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Post by riccimarsh on Dec 9, 2020 18:35:43 GMT
You should have congratulated him on being the second, after Nixon in 1960...
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 9, 2020 18:39:06 GMT
You should have congratulated him on being the second, after Nixon in 1960... Damn, I wished I'd know that at the time
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 9, 2020 18:46:50 GMT
Both got impeached too
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Post by mboy on Dec 9, 2020 18:46:55 GMT
How indeed...
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 9, 2020 18:54:27 GMT
It once was said that "As goes Maine, so goes the Nation". After this was busted in 1932, in 1936 it was amended to "As goes Maine so goes Vermont". (Sorry for repeating this but had to be said.) It's a pity that Al Gore didn't argue that no-one had previously won New York and California and lost the election. Even if he didn't win it by a lot! link:
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 9, 2020 19:02:44 GMT
That's brilliant ...1996 LOL
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Post by BossMan on Dec 9, 2020 19:28:34 GMT
It once was said that "As goes Maine, so goes the Nation". After this was busted in 1932, in 1936 it was amended to "As goes Maine so goes Vermont". (Sorry for repeating this but had to be said.) It's a pity that Al Gore didn't argue that no-one had previously won New York and California and lost the election. Even if he didn't win it by a lot! link: A couple of nitpicks with that: 1. George Washington never actually wore a wig. That was his own hair you saw in those paintings, he deliberately styled it that way. 2. The Republicans took control of Congress in the 1952 elections, so in fact the first Republican to first enter the White House on an unfavourable congress was actually Nixon (though Eisenhower was indeed re-elected without his party re-taking either the House or the Senate).
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Dec 9, 2020 20:20:23 GMT
It once was said that "As goes Maine, so goes the Nation". After this was busted in 1932, in 1936 it was amended to "As goes Maine so goes Vermont". (Sorry for repeating this but had to be said.) It's a pity that Al Gore didn't argue that no-one had previously won New York and California and lost the election. Even if he didn't win it by a lot! link: Nixon was a Quaker? Bloody hell, how did I not know that? (A: as Dr Johnson said, Ignorance, madam, pure ignorance)
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 9, 2020 20:34:12 GMT
Nixon was a Quaker? Bloody hell, how did I not know that? (A: as Dr Johnson said, Ignorance, madam, pure ignorance) Well.. he came from a Quaker background. His family were part of the more evangelical and puritanical wing of Quakerism. He did not maintain the faith and was said to be quite hostile to it Interesting that right wing historian David Starkey was also brought up in a Quaker family
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 9, 2020 20:49:36 GMT
Nixon was a Quaker? Bloody hell, how did I not know that? (A: as Dr Johnson said, Ignorance, madam, pure ignorance) His father was a Methodist and became a Quaker when he married Nixon's mother.
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Post by john07 on Dec 9, 2020 21:04:05 GMT
Nixon was a Quaker? Bloody hell, how did I not know that? (A: as Dr Johnson said, Ignorance, madam, pure ignorance) His father was a Methodist and became a Quaker when he married Nixon's mother. No jokes about getting his oats allowed!
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Post by yellowperil on Dec 9, 2020 22:12:02 GMT
Nixon was a Quaker? Bloody hell, how did I not know that? (A: as Dr Johnson said, Ignorance, madam, pure ignorance) His father was a Methodist and became a Quaker when he married Nixon's mother. Quite. I think it would be fair to say Tricky Dicky was not your stereotypical Quaker.
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 9, 2020 22:30:51 GMT
His father was a Methodist and became a Quaker when he married Nixon's mother. Quite. I think it would be fair to say Tricky Dicky was not your stereotypical Quaker. I'm not sure he ever was one. Quakers can claim birthright membership as adults but I don't think Nixonever did.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Dec 9, 2020 23:17:39 GMT
Quite. I think it would be fair to say Tricky Dicky was not your stereotypical Quaker. I'm not sure he ever was one. Quakers can claim birthright membership as adults but I don't think Nixonever did. Without wishing to make cheap shots at Nixon I genuinely do not see how a practising Quaker could have pursued his Cambodia policy.
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