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Post by greenchristian on Oct 30, 2020 12:48:37 GMT
So eyewitness testimony is only evidence if it's given in the context of an adversarial court system?
For the purposes of accusing specific individuals of crimes yes, pretty much But we're not talking about accusing specific individuals of crimes. We're talking about whether (a) there is evidence that the Pinochet regime tortured people, regardless of which individuals were involved in or aware of the torture (b) whether the doctor who was originally mentioned was a victim of torture at the hands of said regime, regardless of which individuals were involved in or aware of said torture. Actually, it's the historians who are most likely to be aware of the limits of what is known about pre-modern history (and, indeed, modern history). And not every question of ancient history is purely academic. There are major world religions whose central claims are based on historical events. There are national and ethnic identities that rest on pre-modern historical narratives. Investigating the historical evidence for and against these things potentially has massive implications for the people who are part of the relevant communities. |
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Post by jamie on May 6, 2021 19:51:13 GMT
I’ve been aware of Jiles for a while, but this is really next level. As a reminder, this woman is in 1st place in many polls for the 2022 presidential election.
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Post by jamie on May 17, 2021 17:02:25 GMT
Because why not.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 4, 2022 22:43:58 GMT
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Post by relique on Sept 5, 2022 7:16:19 GMT
Apparently, the Chilean left has not yet understood that a Constitution is not a political platform. It is only the framework inside which political platforms may (or may not) be implemented.
I'm afraid my own country's left (right and centre as well) has not understood this either.
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Post by rcronald on Sept 5, 2022 7:50:18 GMT
I expected the new constitution to be rejected, but not by a 24% landslide….
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 5, 2022 7:54:41 GMT
Apparently, the Chilean left has not yet understood that a Constitution is not a political platform. It is only the framework inside which political platforms may (or may not) be implemented. I'm afraid my own country's left (right and centre as well) has not understood this either. Yes, I was listening to the news - 330 articles? That's a manifesto not a constitution. |
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Post by ibfc on Sept 5, 2022 13:53:33 GMT
Apparently, the Chilean left has not yet understood that a Constitution is not a political platform. It is only the framework inside which political platforms may (or may not) be implemented. I'm afraid my own country's left (right and centre as well) has not understood this either. Oh they’ve understood it well enough. That’s why they are doing this to make their goals election proof. If this had been passed, a pliant judiciary would’ve been declaring all sorts of policy decisions by a future right wing government unconstitutional. They were just unlucky that the people saw through this for now. But I am sure that they’ll try again and win in a decade or two. |
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Post by John Chanin on Sept 5, 2022 16:37:27 GMT
Apparently, the Chilean left has not yet understood that a Constitution is not a political platform. It is only the framework inside which political platforms may (or may not) be implemented. I'm afraid my own country's left (right and centre as well) has not understood this either. Yes it was over-reach - more I think over enthusiasm from the convention, which wasn’t made up of politicians, rather than any attempt to fix things. Hopefully Boric will now talk to all relevant interests, and seek to amend the present constitution. I think replacing it is out now for some time. |
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Post by iain on Sept 5, 2022 17:25:52 GMT
Apparently, the Chilean left has not yet understood that a Constitution is not a political platform. It is only the framework inside which political platforms may (or may not) be implemented. I'm afraid my own country's left (right and centre as well) has not understood this either. Quite so - though understandable they’d think like this given that the current constitution is essentially a rightist political platform. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 5, 2022 20:27:41 GMT
Apparently, the Chilean left has not yet understood that a Constitution is not a political platform. It is only the framework inside which political platforms may (or may not) be implemented. I'm afraid my own country's left (right and centre as well) has not understood this either. Yes it was over-reach - more I think over enthusiasm from the convention, which wasn’t made up of politicians, rather than any attempt to fix things. Hopefully Boric will now talk to all relevant interests, and seek to amend the present constitution. I think replacing it is out now for some time. No, not only the left, but also several from the reJect-camp had talked about another election for another constitutional assembly. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 5, 2022 20:27:56 GMT
The infamous Global Trends (cities moving to the left) fit, at least to Chile - comparison of referendum 2022 to - ref. 2020:  - presidential election 2021 (runOff):  |
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Post by relique on Sept 6, 2022 4:51:17 GMT
Apparently, the Chilean left has not yet understood that a Constitution is not a political platform. It is only the framework inside which political platforms may (or may not) be implemented. I'm afraid my own country's left (right and centre as well) has not understood this either. Quite so - though understandable they’d think like this given that the current constitution is essentially a rightist political platform. I agree. They tried to replace a rightist political platform with a leftist political platform. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 6, 2022 17:33:41 GMT
Quite so - though understandable they’d think like this given that the current constitution is essentially a rightist political platform. I agree. They tried to replace a rightist political platform with a leftist political platform. Has it ever been different, though (apart from the time, when their oligArchy tried to play modest&phlegmatic British aristoCrats, thus ordering constitutions from BENTHAM)? |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 7, 2022 18:23:06 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 17, 2022 20:20:49 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on May 8, 2023 0:56:40 GMT
The unPpopularity of the left government resulted in a tsunami for the right - and especially the hard-right Republican Party -, when electing directly the 50 representatives, who will write the new constitution (guided by 2 boards of 24 exPerts elected by parliament). Official results: www.servelelecciones.cl/#/votacion/elecciones_consejo_gen/pais/8056Also useful: live.decidechile.cl/2023/consejerosSome wave was clearly building up, but the extent is nonetheless unexpected (for all/most obServers). A party achieving over 30% happened last time in 1965. With 17-18 of 50 being below the 2/5-quorum for a veto could make the left in the process per se needless (unless they can organise a majority in the adVisory-board); but will also make it nearly impossible, that a long-lasting compromise can be found. But when has the latter happened in LatinAmerica? Or when were - beginning with BENTHAM's constitutions - all those pompous papers full of "human rights" for food, habitation, toilets and good weather ever of any worth? |
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Post by rcronald on May 8, 2023 3:29:14 GMT
The unPpopularity of the left government resulted in a tsunami for the right - and especially the hard-right Republican Party -, when electing directly the 50 representatives, who will write the new constitution (guided by 2 boards of 24 exPerts elected by parliament). Official results: www.servelelecciones.cl/#/votacion/elecciones_consejo_gen/pais/8056Also useful: live.decidechile.cl/2023/consejerosSome wave was clearly building up, but the extent is nonetheless unexpected (for all/most obServers). A party achieving over 30% happened last time in 1965. With 17-18 of 50 being below the 2/5-quorum for a veto could make the left in the process per se needless (unless they can organise a majority in the adVisory-board); but will also make it nearly impossible, that a long-lasting compromise can be found. But when has the latter happened in LatinAmerica? Or when were - beginning with BENTHAM's constitutions - all those pompous papers full of "human rights" for food, habitation, toilets and good weather ever of any worth? The right won a whopping 62% of the vote (and 33 seats). Traditional spectrum: Republicans (hard right)- 23 seats - 35.42% UDI (right-wing)- 6 seats - 8.86% RN (centre-right to right-wing)- 4 seats - 7.41% Evópoli (centre to centre-right)- 1 seat - 4.8% |
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Post by ibfc on May 8, 2023 8:31:05 GMT
Wonderful
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Post by rcronald on May 8, 2023 9:45:15 GMT
Since The Republicans won more than 40% of the seats, they have a veto.
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