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Post by therealriga on Jun 27, 2020 9:35:59 GMT
Nah, just try calling that one Kirkwall. In the 10th/11th centuries, the Norse overlords called the Hebrides and the Isle of Man the "Sudreys" (southern isles) (hence the surviving name of "Sodor and Man") and they called Orkney & Shetland the "Nordreys" (northern isles). So you could call it "Nordrey". Or you could invent a modern portmanteau name like Kirkwick. Or Hoynst. Or something. Orkland. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 27, 2020 9:36:30 GMT
Now moving across the border: Birmingham Hodge Hill – where on earth is Hodge Hill?! I'm sure it's a made-up place that no-one actually lives in. The constituency should be called something like Birmingham Saltley or Birmingham Ward End I do like the concept of calling a constituency Ward End. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 27, 2020 9:40:14 GMT
And it's commonly, and completely wrongly, referred to, even in quite august publications, as "Tyneside North". I don't suppose nearby "Shields South" has also cropped up? Never encountered that, but the abomination that is "Ribble South" was definitely in far too widespread use for a while. |
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Post by therealriga on Jun 27, 2020 9:50:35 GMT
Staffordshire Moorlands should be Leek Though I agree with many of your other suggestions IMO the present name is a good one, and IMO quite accurate descriptively. Agreed. Just as many people live in Biddulph as Leek, but Moorlands covers it well. Surprised that neighbouring Stone hasn't cropped up. The eponymous town makes up just 18% of the electorate, but despite that, it works ok. Clumsy attempts at Compass Point - county wouldn't cover it: it isn't North West or Mid Staffordshire. more like "North Central Staffordshire", which is a horrible name. The river Trent is the only geographical feature but it's not prominent enough to feature. Since Stone's days are probably numbered, it's likely a moot point anyway. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jun 27, 2020 9:56:45 GMT
Though I agree with many of your other suggestions IMO the present name is a good one, and IMO quite accurate descriptively. Agreed. Just as many people live in Biddulph as Leek, but Moorlands covers it well. Surprised that neighbouring Stone hasn't cropped up. The eponymous town makes up just 18% of the electorate, but despite that, it works ok. Clumsy attempts at Compass Point - county wouldn't cover it: it isn't North West or Mid Staffordshire. more like "North Central Staffordshire", which is a horrible name. The river Trent is the only geographical feature but it's not prominent enough to feature. Since Stone's days are probably numbered, it's likely a moot point anyway. Stone is an example of getting it right. It is so much better than Central Devon (ugliest name ever), which should similarly be called Crediton. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 27, 2020 9:59:15 GMT
Though I agree with many of your other suggestions IMO the present name is a good one, and IMO quite accurate descriptively. Agreed. Just as many people live in Biddulph as Leek, but Moorlands covers it well. Surprised that neighbouring Stone hasn't cropped up. The eponymous town makes up just 18% of the electorate, but despite that, it works ok. Clumsy attempts at Compass Point - county wouldn't cover it: it isn't North West or Mid Staffordshire. more like "North Central Staffordshire", which is a horrible name. "North East Central West Midlands", on the other hand... |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jun 27, 2020 10:03:45 GMT
‘Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford’ (and Knottingley according to Yvette Cooper) is unnecessarily long. Would it really be a great injustice to simply call it ‘Castleford’? It should be Osgoldcross, as it was 1885-1918. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Jun 27, 2020 10:04:36 GMT
Gravesham should be Gravesend NW Norfolk should be Kings Lynn NE Cambridgshire should be Wisbech North Devon should be Barnstaple North Herefordshire should be Leominster SW Wiltshire should be Westbury North Wiltshire should be Malmesbury NW Hamshire should be Andover East Hampshire should be Petersfield SW Surrey should be Farnham Staffordshire Moorlands should be Leek West Lancashire should be Ormskirk Hertsmere is a crap name. In contrast with those who entertain the bizarre notion that a constituency should not be named after a settlement if it contains some other settlements, I should be perfectly happy for it to be called Elstree Elstree is a very small place with not much of a communal centre. Borehamwood is far larger and would be a more obvious name. Radlett is a lot larger than Elstree. |
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Post by jamie on Jun 27, 2020 10:42:37 GMT
"Castleford" suggests the seat only covers that one town. It doesn't. No it doesn’t. It suggests that it is the largest settlement and broadly central to the constituency, which it is. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 27, 2020 10:52:39 GMT
Gravesham should be Gravesend NW Norfolk should be Kings Lynn NE Cambridgshire should be Wisbech North Devon should be Barnstaple North Herefordshire should be Leominster SW Wiltshire should be Westbury North Wiltshire should be Malmesbury NW Hamshire should be Andover East Hampshire should be Petersfield SW Surrey should be Farnham Staffordshire Moorlands should be Leek West Lancashire should be Ormskirk Hertsmere is a crap name. In contrast with those who entertain the bizarre notion that a constituency should not be named after a settlement if it contains some other settlements, I should be perfectly happy for it to be called Elstree Elstree is a very small place with not much of a communal centre. Borehamwood is far larger and would be a more obvious name. Radlett is a lot larger than Elstree. Borehamwood is Elstree |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 10:59:32 GMT
"Castleford" suggests the seat only covers that one town. It doesn't. No it doesn’t. It suggests that it is the largest settlement and broadly central to the constituency, which it is. Normanton isn't a small village. Pontefract is a large town. The constituency covers all three and the Commission accepted the argument that exclusion of one would be unjustified. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 27, 2020 11:04:46 GMT
Broxbourne - Cheshunt and Hoddesdon Castle Point - Canvey Island Gedling - Arnold and Carlton Canvey is only about a third of Castle Point. It would have to be Benfleet & Canvey or Hadleigh & Canvey I think. Why? Many of us know Canvey (Canvey Island) and that identifies it well enough. Using Benfleet and Hadleigh serves no purpose at all. |
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Post by greenhert on Jun 27, 2020 11:04:55 GMT
Gravesham should be Gravesend NW Norfolk should be Kings Lynn NE Cambridgshire should be Wisbech North Devon should be Barnstaple North Herefordshire should be Leominster SW Wiltshire should be Westbury North Wiltshire should be Malmesbury NW Hampshire should be Andover East Hampshire should be Petersfield SW Surrey should be Farnham Staffordshire Moorlands should be Leek West Lancashire should be Ormskirk Hertsmere is a crap name. In contrast with those who entertain the bizarre notion that a constituency should not be named after a settlement if it contains some other settlements, I should be perfectly happy for it to be called Elstree Marlborough would be a more fitting name for North Wiltshire, although then there is also Royal Wootton Bassett. Westbury was renamed South West Wiltshire to satisfy objections from Trowbridge and Warminster (see also Ledbury and Kington's objections to the continuation of the Leominster constituency name). South Hertfordshire is a better name for Hertsmere. March would object to NE Cambridgeshire being renamed Wisbech. Skelmersdale would object to West Lancashire being renamed Ormskirk. The rest I agree with wholeheartedly, especially since Godalming will be likely removed from SW Surrey in the next review. |
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Post by greenhert on Jun 27, 2020 11:09:12 GMT
Richmond and Northallerton would be greatly preferable. Northallerton is bigger and is the county town. Richmondshire? Richmondshire only covers half the population of said Richmond (Yorks) constituency. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 27, 2020 11:11:56 GMT
Gravesham should be Gravesend NW Norfolk should be Kings Lynn NE Cambridgshire should be Wisbech North Devon should be Barnstaple North Herefordshire should be Leominster SW Wiltshire should be Westbury North Wiltshire should be Malmesbury NW Hampshire should be Andover East Hampshire should be Petersfield SW Surrey should be Farnham Staffordshire Moorlands should be Leek West Lancashire should be Ormskirk Hertsmere is a crap name. In contrast with those who entertain the bizarre notion that a constituency should not be named after a settlement if it contains some other settlements, I should be perfectly happy for it to be called Elstree Marlborough would be a more fitting name for North Wiltshire, although then there is also Royal Wootton Bassett. It would be a very fitting name if Marlborough was actually in that constituency |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 27, 2020 11:12:51 GMT
Which isn't even the largest town in the constituency. Okay, Vale of Conwy then, to make it obvious it's the river. Dyffryn Conwy. I like that. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 27, 2020 11:14:06 GMT
Didcot is a pretty important railway junction so I suspect many will have heard of it, certainly more than Wantage. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've never heard of Wantage outside of electoral contexts. Whereas Didcot is, of course, well known having given its name to the piece of card removed when you have your railway ticket punched.  |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 27, 2020 11:15:52 GMT
Castle Point is also the name of the local government district. To get rid of one, you'd have to deal with the other too. My bugbear is constituency names of the City, Area type that persist even though the centre of gravity of the constituency has moved; Birmingham, Edgbaston being one example. Edgbaston exists, for sure - the cricket ground is testament to that - but it's at the far end of the constituency, and is an amorphous area with no identifiable "centre". Birmingham, Harborne would be a much better name, closer to the middle of the seat and with a lively high street as a focus for activity.
Is there any specific reason why a constituency should in its name bear any relevence at all to other matters including the local authority? I prefer directness, clarity and common sense information about what and where the constituency is. So no Bassetlaws, no 'The Deepings', always one sole name wherever possible, no foreign languages unknown to the majority of the population of Britain, and no cumbersome 'catch-all' splurge names that are a complete nonsense. This constituency is Canvey or Canvey Island. That places and identifies it for us all. It contains other bits as well. So what? Don't care. Doesn't matter. A prime obvious name matters not nit-picking complexity and silliness. But we live in an age of nit-picking silliness and wankers pandering to every community and preferring complexity and irritating foreign wording to massage an extreme minority of clots and twerps. Does any constituency have a "foreign" name? (i.e. a name using a language from outside the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 27, 2020 11:16:30 GMT
Marlborough would be a more fitting name for North Wiltshire, although then there is also Royal Wootton Bassett. It would be a very fitting name if Marlborough was actually in that constituency Pedant !  |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 27, 2020 11:22:40 GMT
Is there any specific reason why a constituency should in its name bear any relevence at all to other matters including the local authority? I prefer directness, clarity and common sense information about what and where the constituency is. So no Bassetlaws, no 'The Deepings', always one sole name wherever possible, no foreign languages unknown to the majority of the population of Britain, and no cumbersome 'catch-all' splurge names that are a complete nonsense. This constituency is Canvey or Canvey Island. That places and identifies it for us all. It contains other bits as well. So what? Don't care. Doesn't matter. A prime obvious name matters not nit-picking complexity and silliness. But we live in an age of nit-picking silliness and wankers pandering to every community and preferring complexity and irritating foreign wording to massage an extreme minority of clots and twerps. Does any constituency have a "foreign" name? (i.e. a name using a language from outside the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) Most of them do! |
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