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Post by pragmaticidealist on Jun 26, 2020 16:21:42 GMT
For some reason I prefer it when the compass point/s come after the place name rather than before it, i.e. I prefer the old Thanets to the current ones.
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Post by Wisconsin on Jun 26, 2020 16:27:29 GMT
I’d love for one of Richmond (Yorks) and Richmond Park to be renamed. It drives me crazy.
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 26, 2020 16:39:58 GMT
Hackney North and Stoke Newington -> Hackney North Hackney South and Shoreditch -> Hackney South It’s time to move on. Both once constituencies in their own right of course. |
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Post by Yaffles on Jun 26, 2020 16:53:28 GMT
Shrewsbury really doesn’t need ‘and Atcham’
Wyre Forest should just be Kidderminster
Hereford and South Herefordshire is just daft - one or other would do fine.
And one from further afield - East Devon annoys me greatly as it’s not the most easterly constituency in Devon (Exmouth would be a much better name)
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Post by where2travel on Jun 26, 2020 17:09:40 GMT
And one from further afield - East Devon annoys me greatly as it’s not the most easterly constituency in Devon (Exmouth would be a much better name) Similarly, even the most southerly point of South East Cornwall is further north than all of St Ives, nearly all of Camborne and Redruth and about half of Truro and Falmouth. |
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Post by Wisconsin on Jun 26, 2020 17:15:43 GMT
Hackney North and Stoke Newington -> Hackney North Hackney South and Shoreditch -> Hackney South It’s time to move on. Both once constituencies in their own right of course. May they rest in peace. |
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Post by owainsutton on Jun 26, 2020 17:25:49 GMT
Castle Point is also the name of the local government district. To get rid of one, you'd have to deal with the other too.
My bugbear is constituency names of the City, Area type that persist even though the centre of gravity of the constituency has moved; Birmingham, Edgbaston being one example. Edgbaston exists, for sure - the cricket ground is testament to that - but it's at the far end of the constituency, and is an amorphous area with no identifiable "centre". Birmingham, Harborne would be a much better name, closer to the middle of the seat and with a lively high street as a focus for activity.
CP used to be South East Essex, apparently, though it now doesn't look very East, more like South Essex Central, which might not go down very well on here. But at least other people would know where that it is. Agree with the City Area ones, which is the case with Manchester. Cheetham Hill probably has the biggest population in Blackley and Broughton, and sits in the middle, but it really is a district with no centre of gravity and is extremely diverse, so Manchester North genuinely makes the most sense - most of the amenities contained within are North Manchester... anyway. However, as you say Manchester Didsbury could make more sense than Withington now. Didsbury now has two wards to itself, Withington is just one. Then again, Chorlton has two as well. Manchester Gorton can be left be as it until recently had two wards, and isn't all that different in character to the others. On the other hand, I'm surprised a name with the worldwide recognition of Trafford hasn't been featured. I'd take Old Trafford/Trafford North anyday over Stretford and Urmston. Similarly, Wembley, instead of Brent X. Clearly one size doesn't fit all. Trafford arriving now!!! I suspect "Stretford & Urmston" always was to avoid the perception of partisan association via using Old Trafford as a reference. TBH I'm surprised the borough name was ever allowed, "Crossford" (relating to Crossford Bridge across the Mersey, central in the borough and the historic Lancs/Cheshire boundary) was considered and IMO would have been more appropriate. "Altrincham & Sale West" and "Wythenshawe & Sale East" both belong in that category of "clunky". So, I suggest: "Stretford & Urmston" => "Trafford North" "Altrincham & Sale West" => "Trafford South" "Wythenshawe & Sale East" => "Wythenshawe Park". It's a very well-known and identifiable reference, is geographically central within the constituency, and isn't what anyone could call Wythenshawe-proper to placate any snobbery from Sale residents. As for "Manchester Gorton", it makes no sense whatsoever now that boundary changes have seen it snake its way around all the way to Whalley Range and the Trafford South border. Should now be "Manchester Rusholme", by using the most central and identifiable area, and also reviving a name lost in 1950. I'd keep "Manchester Withington", referencing Didsbury skewing it geographically too much towards one end, bearing in mind that it stretches almost to stones-through distance from Stretford Mall. "Manchester North" for B&B, totally agree. "Worsley and Eccles South" is an abomination. If "Salford and Eccles" stays, and I'm OK with that, then you can't have "Eccles South" elsewhere. It's a really weird boundary anyway, my geographic-centre reasoning along with inverted-snobbery makes me want to avoid plain "Worsley" and call it "M60 Junction 12"... |
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Post by andrewp on Jun 26, 2020 17:28:49 GMT
And one from further afield - East Devon annoys me greatly as it’s not the most easterly constituency in Devon (Exmouth would be a much better name) Similarly, even the most southerly point of South East Cornwall is further north than all of St Ives, nearly all of Camborne and Redruth and about half of Truro and Falmouth. I don’t mind Devon East as it contains most of East Devon DC area. I also don’t mind Cornwall South East as it is the Southern half of the Eastern end of the county. i suppose you could have a uniform policy of all constituencies being named after the largest town or 2 towns. that would leave the 2 aforementioned seats as Saltash and Liskeard & Exmouth and Sidmouth. |
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Post by owainsutton on Jun 26, 2020 17:32:44 GMT
Similarly, even the most southerly point of South East Cornwall is further north than all of St Ives, nearly all of Camborne and Redruth and about half of Truro and Falmouth. I don’t mind Devon East as it contains most of East Devon DC area. I also don’t mind Cornwall South East as it is the Southern half of the Eastern end of the county. i suppose you could have a uniform policy of all constituencies being named after the largest town or 2 towns. that would leave the 2 aforementioned seats as Saltash and Liskeard & Exmouth and Sidmouth. Largest two towns would turn Suffolk Coastal into "Felixstowe and Woodbridge", which would neither be meaningful nor popular! |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 26, 2020 18:04:33 GMT
Broxbourne - Cheshunt and Hoddesdon Castle Point - Canvey Island Gedling - Arnold and Carlton Canvey is only about a third of Castle Point. It would have to be Benfleet & Canvey or Hadleigh & Canvey I think. Since Castle Point is a portmanteau of Hadleigh Castle and Canvey Point, it's essentially called that already. And yes that would have been a better name. I suppose there were pitchforks in Benfleet, though. Personally I would prefer constituency names, even slightly silly ones, to remain the same while the constituency remains the same, even though newly minted names now follow a different pattern. Some egregious cases exempted esp. if still fairly new but they've pretty much all been mentioned. Bl&Br and Ga&Ha follow the pattern of the earlier Wythenshawe and Sale, but only in letter. Because Wythenshawe is a clearly demarcated area and the only part of Manchester included in the seat. The portion of Liverpool included in the Garston seat is ... not that. It really, really, really shouldn't have lost Liverpool from the name whether or not you namedrop the Halewood bit. |
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Post by peterl on Jun 26, 2020 18:15:29 GMT
(Fairly) locally, not a big fan of "Poole North and Dorset Mid". Either of those two areas would be sufficient to adequatly describe the constituency, both just makes for an overly prolix label. On the other hand, Christchurch extends significantly outside of the town and into about half of the east dorset area and would be better called "Christchurch and East Dorset".
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Post by Yaffles on Jun 26, 2020 18:16:34 GMT
I don’t mind Devon East as it contains most of East Devon DC area. I also don’t mind Cornwall South East as it is the Southern half of the Eastern end of the county. i suppose you could have a uniform policy of all constituencies being named after the largest town or 2 towns. that would leave the 2 aforementioned seats as Saltash and Liskeard & Exmouth and Sidmouth. Largest two towns would turn Suffolk Coastal into "Felixstowe and Woodbridge", which would neither be meaningful nor popular! Compass points are ok - but when the county has loads of constituencies a single town name is nicer. It’s the more traditional style and I think I still prefer it. |
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Post by greenhert on Jun 26, 2020 19:00:35 GMT
Waveney and Suffolk Coastal-neither of these two authorities exist any more, having been merged into East Suffolk last year. In any case Suffolk Coastal will be split up at the next review due to both it and Waveney being oversized and the need to redraw northern Suffolk constituency boundaries due to the expansion of Bury St Edmunds, which impacts both Mid Suffolk and Ipswich in that respect.
Hereford & South Herefordshire should simply be named Hereford; Shrewsbury & Atcham can drop the Atcham part.
East Devon-rename Exeter East & Exmouth.
Hertsmere-rename South Hertfordshire (which most of it, in addition to outlying suburbs of St Albans, was in from 1974-83).
Gedling and Broxtowe, which are not coterminous with the local authorities of their names. Rename Carlton and Beeston respectively.
Bassetlaw will likely disappear as a constituency name, as will Pendle, Charnwood, and Aberconwy.
East Yorkshire-rename it Bridlington.
North East Derbyshire-change it to North Derbyshire (the northeastern part of Derbyshire is covered by Bolsover).
Hyndburn-rename it Accrington.
Alyn & Deeside-rename it East Flintshire. Delyn likewise should become West Flintshire.
Too many to list...
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Post by bsjmcr on Jun 26, 2020 19:06:40 GMT
CP used to be South East Essex, apparently, though it now doesn't look very East, more like South Essex Central, which might not go down very well on here. But at least other people would know where that it is. Agree with the City Area ones, which is the case with Manchester. Cheetham Hill probably has the biggest population in Blackley and Broughton, and sits in the middle, but it really is a district with no centre of gravity and is extremely diverse, so Manchester North genuinely makes the most sense - most of the amenities contained within are North Manchester... anyway. However, as you say Manchester Didsbury could make more sense than Withington now. Didsbury now has two wards to itself, Withington is just one. Then again, Chorlton has two as well. Manchester Gorton can be left be as it until recently had two wards, and isn't all that different in character to the others. On the other hand, I'm surprised a name with the worldwide recognition of Trafford hasn't been featured. I'd take Old Trafford/Trafford North anyday over Stretford and Urmston. Similarly, Wembley, instead of Brent X. Clearly one size doesn't fit all. Trafford arriving now!!! I suspect "Stretford & Urmston" always was to avoid the perception of partisan association via using Old Trafford as a reference. TBH I'm surprised the borough name was ever allowed, "Crossford" (relating to Crossford Bridge across the Mersey, central in the borough and the historic Lancs/Cheshire boundary) was considered and IMO would have been more appropriate. "Altrincham & Sale West" and "Wythenshawe & Sale East" both belong in that category of "clunky". So, I suggest: "Stretford & Urmston" => "Trafford North" "Altrincham & Sale West" => "Trafford South" "Wythenshawe & Sale East" => "Wythenshawe Park". It's a very well-known and identifiable reference, is geographically central within the constituency, and isn't what anyone could call Wythenshawe-proper to placate any snobbery from Sale residents. As for "Manchester Gorton", it makes no sense whatsoever now that boundary changes have seen it snake its way around all the way to Whalley Range and the Trafford South border. Should now be "Manchester Rusholme", by using the most central and identifiable area, and also reviving a name lost in 1950. I'd keep "Manchester Withington", referencing Didsbury skewing it geographically too much towards one end, bearing in mind that it stretches almost to stones-through distance from Stretford Mall. "Manchester North" for B&B, totally agree. "Worsley and Eccles South" is an abomination. If "Salford and Eccles" stays, and I'm OK with that, then you can't have "Eccles South" elsewhere. It's a really weird boundary anyway, my geographic-centre reasoning along with inverted-snobbery makes me want to avoid plain "Worsley" and call it "M60 Junction 12"... "Manchester Airport" - for WSE? Seriously though, the idea of naming after centrally located, well-known parks, esp. if the other options are sub-par (would Manchester Wythenshawe and Trafford East be too long?), is not a bad one. 'Heaton Park' could also solve the Blackley problem, and would be even more appropriate if boundary changes say added Prestwich too (unlikely in this rate). More National Park names could also make an appearance, so far we only have South Downs/New Forest. I still stand by wanting Lake District to replace the long-gone pre-Cumbria counties, and Peak District instead of 'High Peak' - which could arguably refer to Snowdon if anything. Derbyshire Dales is alright. Walkden is the biggest settlement in W&ES and fairly central to it so would be the most ideal, and is relatable by both Little Hulton folk and I'm sure, begrudgingly, by Worsley people as their shopping base I would have thought. Irlam and Cadishead should never have been in Salford so they will have to continue to hang off awkwardly. Failing that, Salford West would be the catch-all, whether or not Worsley folk like it. The other one being either Salford East or Central (given it'd include the train station with that name) The Richmond problem would be solved by adding 'and Northallerton' to the Yorkshire one and keeping the other one as Park, or if the idea of Parks doesn't fancy you, I actually wouldn't mind all London constituencies being preceded with 'London', with several of them being shortened of course (Ruislip...). CofL&W can just be 'London Central'. This is more a matter for council boundaries/names, but someone ought to take a look at Somerset, there being a North and North East. Why weren't they merged, while Taunton 'Deane' and Somerset West (rightly) were? Same goes for N/NE Lincs, though fortunately they aren't reflected in constituency names. I don't know why Grimsby is 'Great' though. Unlike Yarmouth, nobody seems to call it Great Grimsby. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jun 26, 2020 19:09:39 GMT
And one from further afield - East Devon annoys me greatly as it’s not the most easterly constituency in Devon (Exmouth would be a much better name) I suppose Tiverton and Honiton should be East Devon, even though it is made up of much of 'Mid Devon'. Which is just as well because I've never heard of either towns! I've also just discovered that one of the most Brexity places is ironically named 'South Holland'. Together with 'and the Deepings', it sounds absolutely ridiculous, though no doubt it adds 'character'. Spalding or SE Lincolnshire, please. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jun 26, 2020 19:12:56 GMT
Hackney North and Stoke Newington -> Hackney North Hackney South and Shoreditch -> Hackney South It’s time to move on. Same goes for the Oldhams... Before I get accused of hypocrisy re. Bury South, both the Oldhams do include Oldham proper, and Royton (which is also smaller than Chadderton which didn't get the limelight)/Saddleworth would gravitate towards Oldham anyway, so like the Hackneys, their addition to the names is just superfluous. |
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Post by YL on Jun 26, 2020 19:17:19 GMT
Hackney North and Stoke Newington -> Hackney North Hackney South and Shoreditch -> Hackney South It’s time to move on. Same goes for the Oldhams... Before I get accused of hypocrisy re. Bury South, both the Oldhams do include Oldham proper, and Royton (which is also smaller than Chadderton which didn't get the limelight)/ Saddleworth would gravitate towards Oldham anyway, so like the Hackneys, their addition to the names is just superfluous. LOL, that is seriously pitchforky. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jun 26, 2020 19:26:55 GMT
Aberavon – seeing as the historic town was completely demolished by the municipal philistines, it would be better to call it Port Talbot these days
Aberconwy – this was a rubbish name for a district running the entire length of the Conwy Valley, and it is still a rubbish name for a constituency; it should just be called Conwy
Alyn and Deeside – East Flintshire, please; I could live with Tegeingl East if we want to go all historic with the names, but the 1974 district name is rubbish
Blaenau Gwent – doesn't even contain the top of all of the Gwent Valleys; should just be Ebbw Vale
Carmarthen East and Dinefwr – should just be East Carmarthenshire; we don't need constituencies named after National Trust properties
Clwyd West – not even the westernmost constituency in Clwyd; not sure what would be better though
Delyn – West Flintshire, cf Alyn and Deeside
Preseli Pembrokeshire – more 1974 district madness; should be North Pembrokeshire
Ynys Môn – perfectly fine Welsh name (and I would support naming all Welsh constituencies bilingually), but people who don't speak Welsh should call it Anglesey rather than coming up with "Innis Monn" or some other mispronunciation
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Post by Wisconsin on Jun 26, 2020 19:27:47 GMT
Hackney North and Stoke Newington -> Hackney North Hackney South and Shoreditch -> Hackney South It’s time to move on. What’s your opinion on Islington South and Finsbury? Ditch the Finsbury. (And the and). |
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Post by lackeroftalent on Jun 26, 2020 19:30:22 GMT
Amber Valley - Either Alfreton or Ripley
Derbyshire Dales - Matlock
Erewash - Ilkeston
Mid Derbyshire - Belper
North East Derbyshire - Dronfield
South Derbyshire - Despite it's long history with that name can I offer Repton
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