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Post by finsobruce on Dec 3, 2021 19:16:01 GMT
No idea, presumably Caro had some connection with the place.I've had a further look but nothing leaps out. He had a number of businesses, and had been on business abroad just before the incident occured. Fascinating. It's a very odd story that the two of them were driven by Caro's chauffeur to a remote and quite tiny downland village in order to administer the thrashing there. The only way I could make sense of it would be if that was where the daughter had retreated to? Westwell today is partly modified in its character because Ashford is starting to encroach, but it is still deeply rural and a pretty feudal sort of place.( although not as much as nextdoor Eastwell). I have spent many happy days campaigning there on various people's behalf, including twice for myself when I fought the Ashford Rural West division for KCC, and two succesful borough ward campaigns when Westwell was the very Tory adjunct within Hothfield ward- we had to win Hothfield big to offset the Westwell effect. I've now found that Caro was sentenced to three days imprisonment (and thus released immediately) and was ordered to pay £100 costs. And also that the flogging took place specifically at a "track" near the lime works at Westwell.
Coates was latterly described as a "banking student". Quite soon afterwards another Kenneth Coates was put on probation at Newcastle assizes for beating up his prospective father in law who suffered a fractured skull. By the time of the verdict he had already married Lavinia. The presiding judge expressed the view that the defendant had opted for a rather drastic way of ingrating himself with his in laws.
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Post by yellowperil on Dec 3, 2021 20:01:09 GMT
Fascinating. It's a very odd story that the two of them were driven by Caro's chauffeur to a remote and quite tiny downland village in order to administer the thrashing there. The only way I could make sense of it would be if that was where the daughter had retreated to? Westwell today is partly modified in its character because Ashford is starting to encroach, but it is still deeply rural and a pretty feudal sort of place.( although not as much as nextdoor Eastwell). I have spent many happy days campaigning there on various people's behalf, including twice for myself when I fought the Ashford Rural West division for KCC, and two succesful borough ward campaigns when Westwell was the very Tory adjunct within Hothfield ward- we had to win Hothfield big to offset the Westwell effect. I've now found that Caro was sentenced to three days imprisonment (and thus released immediately) and was ordered to pay £100 costs. And also that the flogging took place specifically at a "track" near the lime works at Westwell.
Coates was latterly described as a "banking student". Quite soon afterwards another Kenneth Coates was put on probation at Newcastle assizes for beating up his prospective father in law who suffered a fractured skull. By the time of the verdict he had already married Lavinia. The presiding judge expressed the view that the defendant had opted for a rather drastic way of ingrating himself with his in laws.
All the more intriguing about the flogging location. I know the place very well- its a walk I do fairly regularly (say 2 or 3 times a year) and the "track" is amost certainly the North Downs Way, the present day long distance footpath,aka the Pilgrims Way to Canterbury. The chalk quarry to supply the lime works is still in full use. |
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 3, 2021 20:29:13 GMT
I've now found that Caro was sentenced to three days imprisonment (and thus released immediately) and was ordered to pay £100 costs. And also that the flogging took place specifically at a "track" near the lime works at Westwell.
Coates was latterly described as a "banking student". Quite soon afterwards another Kenneth Coates was put on probation at Newcastle assizes for beating up his prospective father in law who suffered a fractured skull. By the time of the verdict he had already married Lavinia. The presiding judge expressed the view that the defendant had opted for a rather drastic way of ingrating himself with his in laws.
All the more intriguing about the flogging location. I know the place very well- its a walk I do fairly regularly (say 2 or 3 times a year) and the "track" is amost certainly the North Downs Way, the present day long distance footpath,aka the Pilgrims Way to Canterbury. The chalk quarry to supply the lime works is still in full use. More than this, i suspect, is going to be impossible to discover. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 7:29:49 GMT
Some cracking Middle Eastern restaurants are in this seat. Berenjak, Delamina Marylebone, Nutshell and Zahter, to name a few.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 19:26:12 GMT
Why isn't this called Westminster South & City of London based on population?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 5:56:41 GMT
Why isn't this called Westminster South & City of London based on population? Rochford and Southend East would be called Southend East and Rochford on that basis. Westminster South and City of London would be fine for this seat. |
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Post by Max on Mar 30, 2022 20:26:24 GMT
Why isn't this called Westminster South & City of London based on population? I'm sure I remember reading or hearing that in statute the City of London must take precedence in the name of the seat that contains it. But I couldn't tell you from where I got that...! |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 30, 2022 22:11:52 GMT
Why isn't this called Westminster South & City of London based on population? I'm sure I remember reading or hearing that in statute the City of London must take precedence in the name of the seat that contains it. But I couldn't tell you from where I got that...! The law says that the constituency which includes the City of London has to include the name "City of London" but I don't think it specifies that it has to come first. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 4:58:12 GMT
It's a coup the City comes first - hardly anyone lives there.
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Post by YL on Mar 31, 2022 7:31:58 GMT
The 1986 Act said "There shall continue to be a constituency which shall include the whole of the City of London and the name of which shall refer to the City of London." This was repealed by the 2011 Act; indeed there are some provisions in the 2011 Act which take account of the possibility of splitting the City, though I don't remember ever seeing a proposal which did this.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 31, 2022 7:55:41 GMT
The 1986 Act said "There shall continue to be a constituency which shall include the whole of the City of London and the name of which shall refer to the City of London." This was repealed by the 2011 Act; indeed there are some provisions in the 2011 Act which take account of the possibility of splitting the City, though I don't remember ever seeing a proposal which did this. I think it was observed (if not actively proposed) that adding the DL Polling District of the City (the Golden Lane estate) to Islington South & Finsbury would have been enough to bring that seat into quota and thus avoid any further borough boundary crossings involving Islington (of course the area was part of Islington up until the 1990s) |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 25, 2022 9:25:56 GMT
The Boundary Commission have developed a strange obsession with breaking the long connection between the Cities of London & Westminster and adding the city of London to an Islington seat, before being forced to recant by the weight of objections. This has happened yet again in this review.
The initial plans here removed the City (with its 6,000 voters, equivalent to a single Westminster ward) and added around 12,000 voters from Westminster North in the Bayswater and Lancaster Gate wards and another 10,000 in Brompton & Hans Town and Royal Hospital wards of Kensington & Chelsea. The Westminster North wards are marginal but on balance favour Labour while the Kensington and Chelsea wards are massively Tory. The city of London itself is unreliable for the Conservatives these days so on balance these boundary changes might have favoured the Conservatives a little but were broadly neutral. The name of the seat would have changed to the clumsy ‘Westminster & Chelsea East’.
The revised proposals reverse all of these. The City remains and the name stays the same. Bayswater and Lancaster Gate instead go to Kensington and the Kensington & Chelsea wards remain their respective seats.
Instead this seat expands to the North to take the Abbey Road and Regents Park wards from Westminster North (with about 12,000 voters in all). These are the strongest (indeed the only reliable) Conservative wards in that seat, still won comfortably in the debacle of the 2022 local elections. A few voters in a small area around Westbourne Terrace and a larger area, with virtually no voters, in Kensington Gardens is removed.
As if this constituency does not already contain enough of central London’s major institutions, landmarks and tourist attractions, these changes add several more. As the names of the incoming ward imply, these include (most of) Regent’s Park, encompassing the famous London Zoo (now rather jaded) and London Central Mosque. In comes Madame Tussauds and in the St Johns Wood area the Abbey Road studios and Lord’s cricket ground.
This constituency will now include the whole of the former St Marylebone borough (excluding just the anomalous Church Street ward) and the whole of the former Westminster except for Kensington Gardens. The exclusion of Church Street makes this look almost like a gerrymander. It isn’t of course – and this seat will still not be totally safe, but these boundary changes are about as favourable as it is possible to be for the Conservatives without taking the constituency West into Chelsea.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 27, 2022 22:35:43 GMT
Notional result 2019 on the proposed new boundaries | Con | 20879 | 41.2% | | LD | 14380 | 28.4% | | Lab | 14198 | 28.0% | | Grn | 899 | 1.8% | | Oth | 294 | 0.6% |
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