More from 1894

[finsobruce]

Mar 29, 2020 11:44:54 GMT Adam in Stroud said:

Mar 29, 2020 9:34:10 GMT finsobruce said:

And now to Stroud for er, Adam in Stroud

Maybe we should register Radical as a name for local branding purposes. I might look into that.

One or two surnames that are still well-known - Clutterbuck, Pegler, Godsell (probably related to the current dairy farmers and cheesemakers) and I imagine the defeated Independent Radical W B Withey to be an ancestor of pete who runs the local stationer/printers. No Lusty or Apperly though.

Surely Lusty will make a comeback during a lockdown?

The poet George Crabbe featured the name Clutterbuck in one of his poems :

Something one day occurred about a bill
That was not drawn with true mercantile skill,
And I was asked and authorised to go
To seek the firm of Clutterbuck and Co.

Interesting that so many names are still noted in the area.

[finsobruce]

I was looking for something for Merseymike and came across the interesting result for the Board of Guardians for Toxteth.

There can't have been many places/wards where three women were elected as they were in East ward.

And West ward was decidedly Conservative - I haven't come across many places so far where they dominated the top places like that. I suspect John Wolfe Tone Morrissey's view of Irish Home Rule can easily be guessed at

East ward

Elected

Mary Lucy Healey (Liberal) 2,187
James Pilkington Barnes (Conservative) 2,130
Helen Ronald (description missing) 2,036
Edward Jones (Liberal) 1,648
Hester Emily Booth (Ratepayers) 1,465
R. Sutton Dodson (Conservative) 1,419
Andrew James Johnston (Ratepayers) 1,331
Peter Davies (Ratepayers) 1,330
William Jennings (Conservative) 1,239

Not Elected

Owen Foulkes Evans (Ratepayers) 1,232
Richard Mather (description missing) 1,229
John Morris (Ratepayers) 1,183
Robert Humphreys (Conservative) 1,067
John Wade (Conservative) 1,032
William Skinner (Independent) 597
Samuel Broomfield (Progressive) 310
John Thompson (Independent) 247
John Samuel Keenan (Labour) 202

West Ward

Elected

Charles Arden (Conservative) 1,046
Charles Costigan (Conservative) 1,043
Robert Killip (Conservative)1,031
William Abercrombie (Conservative) 1,026
William R Gasking (Conservative) 937
Edward Paull (Liberal)935
Joseph Titley (Conservative) 916
John Thomas (Liberal) 864
Patrick Fitzsimons (Liberal) 811

Not elected

Benjamin Evans (Progressive) 322
John Wolfe Tone Morrissey (Labour) 297

[Merseymike]

Wonder if the Abercrombie has any connection with Abercrombie Square - now part of the University campus?

[finsobruce]

Mar 29, 2020 20:50:22 GMT Merseymike said:

Wonder if the Abercrombie has any connection with Abercrombie Square - now part of the University campus?

Abercromby Square is named after General Sir Ralph Abercromby killed at the Battle of Alexandria in 1801.

[Merseymike]

Mar 29, 2020 20:54:48 GMT finsobruce said:

Mar 29, 2020 20:50:22 GMT Merseymike said:

Wonder if the Abercrombie has any connection with Abercrombie Square - now part of the University campus?

Abercromby Square is named after General Sir Ralph Abercromby killed at the Battle of Alexandria in 1801.

Clearly not then! At the time it would have been a prosperous district.

[finsobruce]

The Birmingham Daily Post in its roundup of results which includes Warwickshire, Staffordshire, and even bits of Leicestershire and Gloucestershire doesn't give the full result for Hinckley but notes:


"That nine Liberals, four conservatives and two publicans were elected".

Trebles all round!

It also ran a story about the result in the Acocks Green ward of Yardley District council :

Thomas Blantern (Progressive) 189

Mr Z Walker (Conservative) 188

Mr J Williams (Progressive) 188

Mr T Griffin (Conservative) 187

The Deputy returning officer Mr Matthews made a casting vote in favour of Mr Walker, which didn't go down well with the Progressives who said that he was not a parochial elector and had therefore no power to do so.

They also required a scrutiny of votes after Matthews had ruled one elector had voted for Griffin and Walker, rather than Walker and Williams

[finsobruce]

And now on to Portsmouth for cogload and Fareham for Khunanup - results of the elections for Guardians

Portsmouth

No1 (Central Division)

Elected

Mrs E F Proctor (Progressive) 2500
Mr J Kennedy (Independent) 2128
Mr H P Foster (Moderate) 1889
Mr H Palin (Moderate) 1878
Mr W R Light (Progressive) 1841
Mr G E Couzens (Progressive) 1838
Mr J Bishop (Moderate) 1792

Not Elected

Mr J Baggs (Moderate) 1645
Mr B Murtough (Progressive) 1595
Mr S Knight (Progressive) 1572
Alderman W Kent (Moderate) 1427
Mr C Fowler (Moderate) 1299
Mr J A Coplin (Labour) 1117
Mr G Jones (Labour) 1065
Mr E A Knight (Independent) 1036
Mr G Boghurst (Independent) 807
Mr T J Hill (Independent) 285
Mr W Silco (Independent) 233

No2 (Southern Division)

Mr W Ward (Moderate) 3085
Mr F E French (Moderate) 3081
Mr E S Main (Moderate) 2885
Miss Teresa McCoy (Moderate) 2837
Mrs Lilian Swainson (Moderate) 2655
Mr T E Box (Moderate) 2532
Mr J Carpenter (Progressive) 2381
Dr J W Compton (Moderate) 2371
Mrs M K Ward (Progressive) 2319

Not Elected

Mr A G Curtiss (Progressive) 2193
Mr W Madge (Moderate) 1964
Mr M Gill (Progressive) 1960
Mr A G German (Progressive) 1960
Mr T Clancy (Progressive) 1839
Mr W T Dittmann(Progressive) 1800
Mr J Palmer (Progressive) 1694
Mr M Jepps (Independent) 1537
Mr J Howarth (Progressive)1372
Mr H Croucher (Independent) 1277
Mr W J Tuck (Independent) 949
Mr J Strugnell(Labour) 944
Mr J J Sapp (Independent) 778
Mr J Goldsmith (Independent) 732
Alderman D West (Independent) 638
Mr W A Thorrowgood (Independent) 631
Mr T B Borrow (Independent) 358
Mr W E Williams (Independent) 311

No 3 (Northern Division)

Elected

Mrs M Bryerley (Progressive) 2134
Mr H Kimber (Progressive) 1870
Dr Emmett (Moderate) 1568
Mr S Boss (Progressive) 1535
Mr W J Booker (Progressive) 1511
Mr E H Davis (Progressive) 1404
Mr R Gould (Labour) 1341

Not Elected

Mr A J Oliver (Labour) 1281
Mr Blackadar (Moderate) 1195
Mr F Broadmead (Moderate) 1164
Mr C W Brown (Moderate) 1017
Rev A B Mynors (Moderate) 957
Mr J Baldwin (Independent) 437
Mr T Cox (Independent) 292

"Cheers were given in honour of the lady guardians".

Notable how well the Moderates (Conservatives) did in the Southern Division and that Labour polled pretty well and got one candidate elected in the Northern Division.

[finsobruce]

Fareham - contests in both the Urban District Council and the Guardians

Urban District Council

Elected

Mr John Sandy (Pottery Manager) 553
Mr R Porter 520
Mr W Pankhurst 394
Mr C B Smith 352
Mr W Etherington 336
Mr A E Batchelor 286
Mr J Blake 253
Mr T Pink 250
Mr E Abrham 237

Not Elected

Mr G S Rand 229
Mr J H Drewitt 227
Capt. J Ramsay 221
Mr T Whiteman 199
Mr T Cawte 199
Mr E Pyle 173
Adml S P Townsend 164
Mr F White 131
Mr H Price 69
Mr T Collins 51
Mr G B Glover 48
Mr John Sandy (Timber Merchant) 40

Observers will note that there were two candidates called John Sandy, one who finished top of the poll and the other who finished bottom! No confusion with names there.

Guardians

Elected

Mr J Sandy (Potteries) 542
Mrs F Ramsay 335
Miss E Penton 266
Mr J H Drewitt 250
Mr J Blake 239

Not Elected

Mr J Coles 234
Mr A Dodge 220
Adml W E Gordon 174
Mr H L Powys 142
Mr T Collins 60
Mr J Sandy (West End) 41

Observers will further note the high proportion of (presumably) retired admirals among the candidates.

[Crimson King]

You got anything from the Jewel? I’d be particulary interested in where I live (Thornton, to the West) Little Horton where I work or Idle area

[finsobruce]

Mar 30, 2020 14:54:26 GMT Crimson King said:

You got anything from the Jewel? I’d be particulary interested in where I live (Thornton, to the West) Little Horton where I work or Idle area

I'll have a look - I seem to remember seeing a reference to the Idle School board!

[finsobruce]

As requested by Crimson King here are the results for the Thornton UDC. With some results we get occupational information and others only party labels. Here we get both, although only for those successfully elected, not those who tried and failed. In other places we get neither. Why they couldn't track down Mr Johnson's affiliation or non affiliation when they managed everybody else I don't know. I'm sure we are all pleased that the Independent fish salesman was successful.

Elected

Mr R Jennings, quarry owner (Liberal) 376
Mr A Hardy, mill manager, (Liberal) 283
Mr J Wood , colliery proprietor (Conservative) 252
Mr T Craven, gentleman, (Liberal) 246
Mr R Fisher, wool merchant (Unionist) 238
Mr R Hollingsworth, Fish salesman, (Independent) 233
Mr R Johnson, grocer (not known) 231
Mr J H A Hey, fire lighter maker (Liberal) 229
Mr W Pickles, wool merchant (Liberal) 219
Mr J Illingworth, farmer (Liberal) 218
Mr J Morton, brick maker (Conservative) 211
Mr J Barraclough, gentleman (Liberal) 180

Not Elected

Mr J Craven (Liberal) 177
Mr W Drake (Liberal) 162
Mr T Hanson (Conservative) 160
Mr J R Knowles (Conservative) 158
Mr T Jarratt (Conservative) 138
Mr J Sugden (Liberal) 135
Mr J Wilkinson (Liberal) 119 - Mr Wilkinson had been chair of the late board here, but obviously not a very popular one.
Mr J Dixon (Liberal) 101
Mr J Marsden (Liberal) 83
Mr J Drake (Conservative) 83
Mr A Southwart (Liberal) 70
Mr D Sharp (Liberal) 59 - another member of the former board who has gone from public office to stone last in short order.

667 voted out of 1,410 (47.3% turnout)

[gwynthegriff]

Mar 30, 2020 19:30:04 GMT finsobruce said:

As requested by Crimson King here are the results for the Thornton UDC. With some results we get occupational information and others only party labels. Here we get both, although only for those successfully elected, not those who tried and failed. In other places we get neither. Why they couldn't track down Mr Johnson's affiliation or non affiliation when they managed everybody else I don't know. I'm sure we are all pleased that the Independent fish salesman was successful.

Elected

Mr R Jennings, quarry owner (Liberal) 376
Mr A Hardy, mill manager, (Liberal) 283
Mr J Wood , colliery proprietor (Conservative) 252
Mr T Craven, gentleman, (Liberal) 246
Mr R Fisher, wool merchant (Unionist) 238
Mr R Hollingsworth, Fish salesman, (Independent) 233
Mr R Johnson, grocer (not known) 231
Mr J H A Hey, fire lighter maker (Liberal) 229
Mr W Pickles, wool merchant (Liberal) 219
Mr J Illingworth, farmer (Liberal) 218
Mr J Morton, brick maker (Conservative) 211
Mr J Barraclough, gentleman (Liberal) 180

Not Elected

Mr J Craven (Liberal) 177
Mr W Drake (Liberal) 162
Mr T Hanson (Conservative) 160
Mr J R Knowles (Conservative) 158
Mr T Jarratt (Conservative) 138
Mr J Sugden (Liberal) 135
Mr J Wilkinson (Liberal) 119 - Mr Wilkinson had been chair of the late board here, but obviously not a very popular one.
Mr J Dixon (Liberal) 101
Mr J Marsden (Liberal) 83
Mr J Drake (Conservative) 83
Mr A Southwart (Liberal) 70
Mr D Sharp (Liberal) 59 - another member of the former board who has gone from public office to stone last in short order.

667 voted out of 1,410 (47.3% turnout)

I admire a fish that keeps its independence.

[finsobruce]

Mar 30, 2020 19:31:02 GMT gwynthegriff said:

Mar 30, 2020 19:30:04 GMT finsobruce said:

As requested by Crimson King here are the results for the Thornton UDC. With some results we get occupational information and others only party labels. Here we get both, although only for those successfully elected, not those who tried and failed. In other places we get neither. Why they couldn't track down Mr Johnson's affiliation or non affiliation when they managed everybody else I don't know. I'm sure we are all pleased that the Independent fish salesman was successful.

I admire a fish that keeps its independence.

In other news Redcar saw Mr Wetherald, a "bus proprietor" being elected.

[gwynthegriff]

Mar 30, 2020 19:49:59 GMT finsobruce said:

Mar 30, 2020 19:31:02 GMT gwynthegriff said:

I admire a fish that keeps its independence.

In other news Redcar saw Mr Wetherald, a "bus proprietor" being elected.

Ooh!

In 1894?

[finsobruce]

Mar 30, 2020 19:52:16 GMT gwynthegriff said:

Mar 30, 2020 19:49:59 GMT finsobruce said:

In other news Redcar saw Mr Wetherald, a "bus proprietor" being elected.

Ooh!

In 1894?

And he's described the same way when standing for the previous authority in 1887.

I've found a reference to a party of gentlemen who almost came to grief in 1878 when the fog descended on them on the way back from a wreckage sale and the driver a Mr J Wetherald found himself up to his neck in water. However, he was rescued by fishermen.

It's possible that the Wetheralds moved from carriages and traps to buses? Carriage makers certainly did.

[finsobruce]

And next up - Frome for froome

Frome Urban District Council

Elected

Charles Bailey (Wine and Spirit Merchant) 739
John Webb Singer (Metal Worker) 624
Joseph Tanner (Gentleman) 622
Edmund Gifford Ames (Solicitor) 611
Frederick Weekes (printer) 583
James Bartholomew (hairdresser) 567
Edward Russell Trotman(gentleman) 549
Charles Cooper (Auctioneer) 542
Henry Tovey Rawlings (manufacturer) 501
Thomas Charles Harding (auctioneer) 498
John Hodder (retired builder) 469
Samuel Tovey Rawlings (manufacturer) 455
Benjamin Butcher (gentleman) 441
Joseph Chapman (marble worker) 433
Joseph Heath (carpenter) 407

Not Elected

Walter Edwin Yerbury (hotel keeper) 406
Zeceriah Shepphard Chislett (builder) 385
Tom Henry Woodland (printer and publisher) 347
Alfred Seeley (manager of silk mills) 349
Charles Barnes (builder and contractor) 315
Thomas Wallis Hutchinson (leather worker) 289
John Nightingale (leather dresser) 255
Richard Alfred Witcombe (brush manufacturer) 224
John Vallis (builder) 215

George Robert Wilson (engineer) 120

This strikes me as the list with the highest number of 'artisan' candidates so far. I'm also struck when I go through these occupational lists, how many auctioneers feature. No idea why this would be.

[finsobruce]

for Devil Wincarnate Cheadle and Gatley UDC

The Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser noted that "as a result of a political compromise there were contests in only two of the wards...viz Cheadle and Cheadle Hulme in each of which wards an independent candidate was nominated".

Cheadle Ward

Mr Milne (Liberal) 301
Mr Fernyhough (Conservative) 226
Mr Higgins (Independent) 197
Mr Edmunds (Conservative) 175

Cheadle Hulme ward

Mr G Board (Conservative) 129
Mr A Stansfield (Independent Conservative) 129
Jno Watson (Liberal) 118

Mr J Johnson (Liberal) 93

I think all four were elected here as in March 1896, Mr Higgins was noted as not standing again for election and Mr Watson was re-elected for Cheadle Hulme.

[Devil Wincarnate]

Fernyhough is a very Cheshire /Staffs surname.

[finsobruce]

and again for DW Urmston UDC

unfortunately no party labels or occupations, or even initials here! No wards at this stage either, although they generally seem to have appeared at the next election

Elected

Dr Clegg 515
Mr Galloway 498
Mr Howatt 370
Mr Farrand 346
Mr Tate 329
Mr Walton 328
Mr Soddy 289
Mr Seddon 288
Mr Robinson 273
Mr Pearce 273
Rev Cooke 263
Mr Houghton 256

Not Elected

Mr Ingham 251
Mr Rowland 250
Mr Henshall 246
Mr Anderson 242
Mr Warburton 237
Mr Kenyon 234
Mr Tyldesley 195
Mr Law 186
Mr Hand 183
Mr Walker 120
Mr Gratrix 116
Mr Ashbrook 112
Mr Ward 72

[Devil Wincarnate]

Looking up one of those names I have found this, which appears to have some spelling errors:

The Urmston District Council was formed in December, 1894. The first election of Councillors was held on December 17th of that year, when no less than 25 candidates came forward for the 12 seats. The following were successful, with the result of the polling : Dr. J. Clegg, 515 ; Hy. Galloway, 498 ; W. Howatt, 370 ; E. Farrand, 346 ; G. P. Tate,329 ; John Walton, 328 ; John Soddy, 289 ; W. Seddon, 288 ; John Robinson, 273 ; J. Pearce, 273 ; itev. E. H. Cooke, 263; G. Houghton, 256. Dr. Clegg was elected as chairman. The cost of the election was £25. 16s.

Henry Galloway is listed elsewhere as the builder and owner of Manor Croft, which was a rather posh house next to (and in the style of) Urmston Hall, the manor house for the area.  Both were sadly knocked down after the War.  But here is a picture (I have some elsewhere in an old book):

www.flickr.com/photos/traffordcouncil/8677128193

There is also a reference to Galloway's daughter contributing to the building of the parish church opposite.

A plaque in memory of Dr. Clegg is still in place on the old Cottage Hospital (where my mother was born).

Another book I have found refers to Clegg trying to keep the peace during a debate about extending the tramway in 1905, in which an argument occurs between Cllrs. Schofield and Johnson, with the former shouting "don't you make your dirty remarks to me", at which point "a scene ensued".