|
|
Post by finsobruce on Mar 28, 2020 17:16:00 GMT
What exactly are these (Lab) candidates in 1894? I suspect it will have varied from area to area.
As hullenedge says, there is the ILP but having looked at results for a while, the local Trades Council is often the source and some are self declared or labelled as such by the press, even while the individuals are still regarded as being basically Liberals. And these various groups were often in competition with each other (see the results from Burnley kindly posted by lbarnes for a perfect illustration of this).
One of the areas i've looked at mentioned "all three major parties" and meant Labour as one of them, even though this was the 1890s.
|
|
|
|
Post by lbarnes on Mar 28, 2020 17:52:46 GMT
What exactly are these (Lab) candidates in 1894? I suspect it will have varied from area to area.
As hullenedge says, there is the ILP but having looked at results for a while, the local Trades Council is often the source and some are self declared or labelled as such by the press, even while the individuals are still regarded as being basically Liberals. And these various groups were often in competition with each other (see the results from Burnley kindly posted by lbarnes for a perfect illustration of this).
One of the areas i've looked at mentioned "all three major parties" and meant Labour as one of them, even though this was the 1890s.
I was going to post somethign almost exactly along the same lines. It looks as though the general rule of thumb for that period is if a candidate was nominated by the Trades Council or the ILP they are listed as such but if it's by both then they are described in the newspaper as 'Labour'. There seems to be a similar situation when candidates are described variously as 'Conservative', 'Unionist' or 'Liberal Unionist'. Often the description differs between the text of an article about the outcome and the table of results. |
|
|
|
Post by lbarnes on Mar 28, 2020 17:55:58 GMT
Ripon
Ripon (4)
*William Harrison (Con) 634
*Thomas Wells (Con) 580
Alfred Walker (Lib) 522
William Tunstall (Lib) 514
Henry Boddy (Lib) 495
*Thomas Mountain (Con) 471
Thomas Harrison (Lib) 454
James Taylor (Con) 367
Lib gain 1
1112 votes recorded
Electorate 1485
|
|
|
|
Post by yellowperil on Mar 28, 2020 18:02:07 GMT
Ripon Ripon (4) *William Harrison (Con) 634 *Thomas Wells (Con) 580 Alfred Walker (Lib) 522 William Tunstall (Lib) 514 Henry Boddy (Lib) 495 *Thomas Mountain (Con) 471 Thomas Harrison (Lib) 454 James Taylor (Con) 367 Lib gain 1 1112 votes recorded Electorate 1485 That Boddy-Mountain battle must have been quite something. |
|
|
|
Post by finsobruce on Mar 28, 2020 18:06:07 GMT
Ripon Ripon (4) *William Harrison (Con) 634 *Thomas Wells (Con) 580 Alfred Walker (Lib) 522 William Tunstall (Lib) 514 Henry Boddy (Lib) 495 *Thomas Mountain (Con) 471 Thomas Harrison (Lib) 454 James Taylor (Con) 367 Lib gain 1 1112 votes recorded Electorate 1485 That Boddy-Mountain battle must have been quite something. But the Liberals did succeed in moving the Mountain. |
|
|
|
Post by yellowperil on Mar 28, 2020 18:11:54 GMT
That Boddy-Mountain battle must have been quite something. But the Liberals did succeed in moving the Mountain. Walker finished with a healthy lead over Boddy and Mountain. |
|
|
|
Post by David Ashforth on Mar 28, 2020 19:03:16 GMT
I suspect it will have varied from area to area.
As hullenedge says, there is the ILP but having looked at results for a while, the local Trades Council is often the source and some are self declared or labelled as such by the press, even while the individuals are still regarded as being basically Liberals. And these various groups were often in competition with each other (see the results from Burnley kindly posted by lbarnes for a perfect illustration of this). One of the areas i've looked at mentioned "all three major parties" and meant Labour as one of them, even though this was the 1890s.
I was going to post somethign almost exactly along the same lines. It looks as though the general rule of thumb for that period is if a candidate was nominated by the Trades Council or the ILP they are listed as such but if it's by both then they are described in the newspaper as 'Labour'. There seems to be a similar situation when candidates are described variously as 'Conservative', 'Unionist' or 'Liberal Unionist'. Often the description differs between the text of an article about the outcome and the table of results.Looking at Sheffield results I've also found differing descriptions. Unfortunately, the Sheffield Independent and Sheffield Telegraph only gave party labels when there was a contested election and during the 1890s, and before, elections were usually uncontested. But fortunately, Helen Mathers' PhD thesis Sheffield municipal politics: 1893-1926 has a lot of information and is free to download. |
|
|
|
Post by finsobruce on Mar 28, 2020 19:28:07 GMT
But the Liberals did succeed in moving the Mountain. Walker finished with a healthy lead over Boddy and Mountain. Among those people who exercised their franchise. |
|
|
|
Post by finsobruce on Mar 28, 2020 20:17:55 GMT
A canvassing vignette from Barrow for The Bishop It was reported in the Lancashire Evening Telegraph (Nov 6th 1894) that Mr J F Ennis, who had recently been a candidate for the Town Council had summoned a Mrs Dobbin to court, on account of a conversation they had had while he was soliciting votes. He alleged that she said he owed her money, which he did not and then proceeded to say that he had starved and murdered his late wife and blind mother (presumably not at the same time). Mrs Dobbin proceeded to remind Ennis about the "blue devils" and said he was affected by drinking too much Thompson's whisky, which then had to be pumped out of him by Dr Stark. She then expressed derision that someone like him should go on the Town council (laughter in court). The bench dismissed the case. I suspect he put her down on the canvassing return as 'doubtful'. |
|
|
|
Post by lbarnes on Mar 28, 2020 20:36:03 GMT
Ripon Ripon (4) *William Harrison (Con) 634 *Thomas Wells (Con) 580 Alfred Walker (Lib) 522 William Tunstall (Lib) 514 Henry Boddy (Lib) 495 *Thomas Mountain (Con) 471 Thomas Harrison (Lib) 454 James Taylor (Con) 367 Lib gain 1 1112 votes recorded Electorate 1485 Is anybody able to translate this from 1894?  |
|
|
|
Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 28, 2020 20:59:06 GMT
LOUTH UDC North ward (3) *Bryan Hall (C) 490 J.W. Barton (C) 451 Charles Harrison (C) 432 *Frederick M. Thompson (L) 398 Frederick John Ingoldby (L) 373 J.W. Houseman (L) 302 South ward (3) *Herbert Sharpley (L) 516 John Cusworth (C) 498 *Hurd Hickling (L) 480 Charles John Myers (C) 478 Walter Shephard (C) 462 *Frederick Crowson (L) 450 |
|
|
|
Post by finsobruce on Mar 28, 2020 21:01:06 GMT
The Shipley Times noted that the 'parishing' of the country had produced several amusing anomalies, notably in Netherpool (now part of Ellesmere Port) where the 1891 census had noted the presence of three hundred navvies employed on the Manchester Ship Canal, thus entitling the place to a parish council. However by 1894 the navvies had all moved on leaving only one family, the Pickerings, in residence. Nothing daunted the family and their farm labourer had formed themselves into a council with, they hoped, the power to levy a rate and employ municipal officials.
In Creslow, Bucks the sole elector, a farmer called Rowland, held the parish meeting at his own fireside and nominated himself for chairman and Rural District Councillor. Unfortunately there was no-one to second him so the nomination was invalid.
|
|
|
|
Post by finsobruce on Mar 28, 2020 21:27:09 GMT
What exactly are these (Lab) candidates in 1894? As another footnote to this I've just come across a report of an election meeting in Haverhill, where the speaker was a Mr W A Andrews, described as the "Labour Army agent for Suffolk". |
|
|
|
Post by lbarnes on Mar 28, 2020 22:31:20 GMT
]Is anybody able to translate this from 1894? LOUTH UDC North ward (3) *Bryan Hall (C) 490 J.W. Barton (C) 451 Charles Harrison (C) 432 *Frederick M. Thompson (L) 398 Frederick John Ingoldby (L) 373 J.W. Houseman (L) 302 South ward (3) *Herbert Sharpley (L) 516 John Cusworth (C) 498 *Hurd Hickling (L) 480 Charles John Myers (C) 478 Walter Shephard (C) 462 *Frederick Crowson (L) 450 Apologies. I meant the reportage section rather than the results themselves - the part about the Local Government Act. Sorry for not being clearer. |
|
|
|
Post by finsobruce on Mar 28, 2020 22:53:29 GMT
LOUTH UDC North ward (3) *Bryan Hall (C) 490 J.W. Barton (C) 451 Charles Harrison (C) 432 *Frederick M. Thompson (L) 398 Frederick John Ingoldby (L) 373 J.W. Houseman (L) 302 South ward (3) *Herbert Sharpley (L) 516 John Cusworth (C) 498 *Hurd Hickling (L) 480 Charles John Myers (C) 478 Walter Shephard (C) 462 *Frederick Crowson (L) 450 Apologies. I meant the reportage section rather than the results themselves - the part about the Local Government Act. Sorry for not being clearer. That's what i thought you meant, and I've been ruminating about it.
When legislation had been passed creating elected County Councils, Tory backbenchers effectively scuppered plans to created elected district councils at the same time. The incoming Liberal government pledged to do this which resulted in the Local goverment act, in which the whole of the country was 'parished'.
I would guess that the implication was that local Tories didn't like the idea of a new layer of government or of giving it tax raising powers, or the ability to appeal to be able to raise a supplementary rate and local Liberals were implying they (the Tories) would try and sabotage this and other new powers.
|
|
|
|
Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 28, 2020 23:59:32 GMT
I misinterpreted it slightly. Louth was not an Urban District but a municipal borough - which had existed before the 1894 Act and was left essentially untouched by it. I think the piece is referring to section 33 of the Local Government Act 1894 which allowed the Local Government Board, "on the application of the council of any municipal borough", to make an order giving it the power to appoint overseers of the poor. If it did so, a poor rate would be made for the borough. If it did not, the Church parishes would remain responsible for maintaining the poor. |
|
|
|
Post by finsobruce on Mar 29, 2020 9:34:10 GMT
And now to Stroud for er, Adam in Stroud First off the Rural District council: Painswick ward (three seats, but no defeated candidates named) Mr Trotman (Conservative) 234 Mr Blake (Liberal) 228 Mr Wemyss (no description - at least in the report) 204 Urban District council (eighteen seats) ElectedMr S J Dudbridge (Radical) 879 Mr G J Holloway (Conservative) 854 Mr J Chew (Conservative) 830 Mr W T Sims (Radical) 830 Mr M J Cartwright J.P. (Radical) 819 Mr M B Marshall (Conservative) 792 Mr D Smith (Radical) 740 Mr J J Pegler (Conservative) 737 Mr S Fawkes (Conservative) 731 Mr G M Godsell (Conservative) 728 Mr E H Hawkins (Conservative) 723 Mr A T Ford (Conservative) 697 Mr E Hulbert (Conservative) 691 Mr R A English (Conservative) 688 Mr C Lambert (Radical) 656 Mr J Brown (Radical) 651 Mr T J Clarke (Radical) 642 Mr T H Daniels (Conservative) 642 Not ElectedMr C Hook (Radical) 639 Mr T U Gardner (Conservative) 636 Mr T Monaghan (Radical) 619 Mr J Stone (Radical) 617 Mr J Harper (Conservative) 603 Mr R E Stuart (Conservative) 600 Mr R Wood (Radical) 592 Mr H E Steele (Radical)553 Mr J Hyde (Conservative) 551 Mr J White (Conservative) 549 Mr S B Darke (Conservative) 517 Mr J H Tratt (Conservative) 496 Mr T K Scarlett (Ind Conservative) 249 Mr W B Withey (Ind Radical) 230 Mr A Clutterbuck (Ind Conservative) 112 The description in the paper was C for conservative and I've taken the R to mean Radical, which here means they are Liberal candidates. The Mr Holloway elected here was presumably a relative (son?) of George Holloway Conservative MP for Stroud (1886-92) founder of the Holloway Friendly Society, shirt manufacturer and general all round benefactor to the town.A fascinating man. His successor, the Liberal Brynmor Jones (not to be confused with the man who gave his name to the library at Hull University) once said that the Tory party was "steeped in drink". |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 9:39:29 GMT
[...] His successor, the Liberal Brynmor Jones (not to be confused with the man who gave his name to the library at Hull University) once said that the Tory party was "steeped in drink". Fair cop. |
|
|
|
Post by lbarnes on Mar 29, 2020 10:17:36 GMT
Blackpool
Claremont
J Hodgson (Con) 333
H Nicholson (Ind) 205
Talbot
R Dickinson (Lib) unopposed
Bank Hey
T H Smith (Lib) unopposed
Brunswick
R B Mather (Con) 589
T O’Hara (Lib) 323
Foxhall
T Bickerstaff (Con) unopposed
Waterloo
J Fish (Ind) 253
J Brodie (Con) 229
|
|
|
|
Post by Adam in Stroud on Mar 29, 2020 11:44:54 GMT
And now to Stroud for er, Adam in Stroud First off the Rural District council: Painswick ward (three seats, but no defeated candidates named) Mr Trotman (Conservative) 234 Mr Blake (Liberal) 228 Mr Wemyss (no description - at least in the report) 204 Urban District council (eighteen seats) ElectedMr S J Dudbridge (Radical) 879 Mr G J Holloway (Conservative) 854 Mr J Chew (Conservative) 830 Mr W T Sims (Radical) 830 Mr M J Cartwright J.P. (Radical) 819 Mr M B Marshall (Conservative) 792 Mr D Smith (Radical) 740 Mr J J Pegler (Conservative) 737 Mr S Fawkes (Conservative) 731 Mr G M Godsell (Conservative) 728 Mr E H Hawkins (Conservative) 723 Mr A T Ford (Conservative) 697 Mr E Hulbert (Conservative) 691 Mr R A English (Conservative) 688 Mr C Lambert (Radical) 656 Mr J Brown (Radical) 651 Mr T J Clarke (Radical) 642 Mr T H Daniels (Conservative) 642 Not ElectedMr C Hook (Radical) 639 Mr T U Gardner (Conservative) 636 Mr T Monaghan (Radical) 619 Mr J Stone (Radical) 617 Mr J Harper (Conservative) 603 Mr R E Stuart (Conservative) 600 Mr R Wood (Radical) 592 Mr H E Steele (Radical)553 Mr J Hyde (Conservative) 551 Mr J White (Conservative) 549 Mr S B Darke (Conservative) 517 Mr J H Tratt (Conservative) 496 Mr T K Scarlett (Ind Conservative) 249 Mr W B Withey (Ind Radical) 230 Mr A Clutterbuck (Ind Conservative) 112 The description in the paper was C for conservative and I've taken the R to mean Radical, which here means they are Liberal candidates. The Mr Holloway elected here was presumably a relative (son?) of George Holloway Conservative MP for Stroud (1886-92) founder of the Holloway Friendly Society, shirt manufacturer and general all round benefactor to the town.A fascinating man. His successor, the Liberal Brynmor Jones (not to be confused with the man who gave his name to the library at Hull University) once said that the Tory party was "steeped in drink". Maybe we should register Radical as a name for local branding purposes. I might look into that. One or two surnames that are still well-known - Clutterbuck, Pegler, Godsell (probably related to the current dairy farmers and cheesemakers) and I imagine the defeated Independent Radical W B Withey to be an ancestor of pete who runs the local stationer/printers. No Lusty or Apperly though. |
|
