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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 24, 2020 11:08:34 GMT
Well if you buy the line that Brexit is the be-all and end-all of why these people voted as they did - it *is* slightly perverse isn't it? (of course, what this really demonstrates is that things aren't actually that simple) It's not impossible. After all, it's not unlikely that someone might be Eurosceptic, Labour-voting and dislike Corbyn. The man himself ticks two of those boxes. Three, probably. |
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 24, 2020 11:37:09 GMT
Not really what I was getting at, yes these voters all dislike Corbyn (they wouldn't have deserted Labour otherwise) its their liking for Starmer that is the "surprise". I suppose there's an aspect to which many people have no idea of where he stands. Being sidelined during the campaign reinforces that, giving him an air of vagueness on the issue. I think a lot of these people are actually aware that he was anti-Brexit. Maybe the point is that as long as he accepts it has happened and doesn't campaign to rejoin, that isn't something disqualifying for many of them. (and that makes sense if you think it was the perception Labour did not respect their democratic decision that was really toxic with these voters/areas) |
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Post by peterski on Feb 24, 2020 21:16:18 GMT
there's a lot of political perversion going on at the moment . I hear people around Teesside say with a straight face that Boris and his Brexit is going to bring industry back to the region. They are in for a rude awakening when the inevitable happens and we get a Brexit solely calibrated for the Tory bankers. Hi Peterski Sorry, presumably as you live oop north and news travels slowly in those parts, you won't have heard...* The Tories don't give a shit anymore about the bankers, as they are generally pro EU, most think Boris is a useless to55er after his inept performance as London mayor, and some are even social liberals; their new best friends are hedge fund owners and pro-Brexit entrepreneurs (aka Weatherspoon, Bamford and Hargreaves) who have joined the more traditional media owners, theatrical impresarios, property developers and the like. Don't expect the Tories to be particularly nice to bankers, as they keep whining about lost markets in Europe - its all about minimising regulation of tax havens, controlling the media and tryig to fool enough of the people enough of the time. *This is a joke - my better half is from the north-east and I've sampled the delights of Ayrsome Park a few times before it was knocked down. Splendid place with wonderfully cheap beer... Good news : the beer at The Riverside is very reasonably priced to this day . Also good to hear that the lib dems are now the bankers' friend. Richmond upon Thames is probably the number one abode of choice for your average banker after all . |
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Post by bigfatron on Feb 25, 2020 8:27:56 GMT
Hi Peterski Sorry, presumably as you live oop north and news travels slowly in those parts, you won't have heard...* The Tories don't give a shit anymore about the bankers, as they are generally pro EU, most think Boris is a useless to55er after his inept performance as London mayor, and some are even social liberals; their new best friends are hedge fund owners and pro-Brexit entrepreneurs (aka Weatherspoon, Bamford and Hargreaves) who have joined the more traditional media owners, theatrical impresarios, property developers and the like. Don't expect the Tories to be particularly nice to bankers, as they keep whining about lost markets in Europe - its all about minimising regulation of tax havens, controlling the media and tryig to fool enough of the people enough of the time. *This is a joke - my better half is from the north-east and I've sampled the delights of Ayrsome Park a few times before it was knocked down. Splendid place with wonderfully cheap beer... Good news : the beer at The Riverside is very reasonably priced to this day . Also good to hear that the lib dems are now the bankers' friend. Richmond upon Thames is probably the number one abode of choice for your average banker after all . I think its simply that the bankers are increasingly finding nowhere else to go.... it was interesting in December listening to people I know who were once Tory through and through having conniptions about who to vote for, ending up choosing Lib Dem for the first time in their lives; likewise some who had been soft right who swung Lib Dem for many years, but reverted to Tory for fear of Corbyn More bankers in Cobham, Dorking and Epsom than in Richmond, it's more the place that successful web-designers go once they have kids. And not all bankers are bad; I know I used to be one ;-) |
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