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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 15:01:30 GMT
What if Rory Stewart made it to the final two?
If Javid is knocked out earlier could he beat Gove and Hunt?
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 19, 2020 15:13:47 GMT
This beyond witless silliness and thus a ridiculous question demanding a tart answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 15:19:44 GMT
This beyond witless silliness and thus a ridiculous question demanding a tart answer. Why is it ridiculous, Carlton? It's no more implausible than your dreams of Ross, Skye & Lochaber electing a Tory MP. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 19, 2020 15:38:53 GMT
The only person who even had a remote possibility of beating Johnson would have been Gove.
But to be honest, it was pretty much guaranteed that Boris Johnson was going to win.
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Post by jamesg on Jan 19, 2020 15:42:29 GMT
It's pretty much impossible for Rory to get there. Those MPs were the voters but he was too busy talking to the media.
The guy has a great backstory, on paper, but he is a boring wet rag. His colleagues knew that: they worked with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 15:49:18 GMT
In my view the best Conservative leaders since Thatcher would have been
1990-97 : Heseltine
1997-01 : Clarke
2001-05 : Portillo
2005-16 : Cameron
2016-19 : Johnson
2019-now : Stewart
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 19, 2020 16:08:11 GMT
This beyond witless silliness and thus a ridiculous question demanding a tart answer. Why is it ridiculous, Carlton? It's no more implausible than your dreams of Ross, Skye & Lochaber electing a Tory MP. It is not implausible for there to be a Conservative MP for Ross and there has been one. I did not at any time suggest that there would be one elected at the last GE. I asserted that it would be a firm SNP hold probably with an enhanced majority: And so it was! Stop making things up to suit yourself. Rory had a bit of popularity in the PCP but not enough to get near the shortlist as was plainly seen. If he had he would have crashed and burned with the Membership Vote. He is a maverick at the wrong time and he sensibly left the party. My problem with you is your complete and utter TIN EAR for reality in politics. You are an utter chump and just so bad at it and such bloody daft propositions. Your puns are not funny and your suggestions are just gormless. Other than that you may be a nice enough chap? |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 19, 2020 16:09:47 GMT
In my view the best Conservative leaders since Thatcher would have been 1990-97 : Heseltine 1997-01 : Clarke 2001-05 : Portillo 2005-16 : Cameron 2016-19 : Johnson 2019-now : Stewart Yes!!! It bloody would be? |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jan 19, 2020 16:18:46 GMT
In my view the best Conservative leaders since Thatcher would have been 1990-97 : Heseltine 1997-01 : Clarke 2001-05 : Portillo 2005-16 : Cameron 2016-19 : Johnson 2019-now : Stewart And but for the Tory obsession with Europe they might all have been PM. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 19, 2020 16:23:27 GMT
Had Portillo kept his seat, would he still have ended up on his railway journeys today?
This is the real alternative history question we need answering.
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Post by andrewp on Jan 19, 2020 16:31:36 GMT
Had Portillo kept his seat, would he still have ended up on his railway journeys today? This is the real alternative history question we need answering. I suspect he might have still got to his bored with politics position, and been looking for something else. he’s very good at the railway journeys IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 16:56:02 GMT
Might Portillo as leader have opposed the Iraq War in 2003?
What would have happened if Parliament voted it down?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 19, 2020 17:57:06 GMT
Had Portillo kept his seat, would he still have ended up on his railway journeys today? This is the real alternative history question we need answering. I suspect he might have still got to his bored with politics position, and been looking for something else. he’s very good at the railway journeys IMO. He was terrible (IMO) in the early series. Gave every impression of never having previously spoken to a human being in his life. He has got better since then, but the series have got worse - now we have reached Series 102 it's simply a vaguely geographically linked series of vignettes of places and things. With bonus points for silly clothes, dancing or finding it difficult to perform skills for which he has received no training. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 18:15:36 GMT
Putting aside the implausibility of this scenario, Boris would obviously have stormed to victory.
The Conservative Party is better off without dripping wet Lib Dems in disguise like Stewart.
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 19, 2020 18:19:19 GMT
Why is it ridiculous, Carlton? It's no more implausible than your dreams of Ross, Skye & Lochaber electing a Tory MP. It is not implausible for there to be a Conservative MP for Ross and there has been one. I did not at any time suggest that there would be one elected at the last GE. I asserted that it would be a firm SNP hold probably with an enhanced majority: And so it was! Stop making things up to suit yourself. Rory had a bit of popularity in the PCP but not enough to get near the shortlist as was plainly seen. If he had he would have crashed and burned with the Membership Vote. He is a maverick at the wrong time and he sensibly left the party. My problem with you is your complete and utter TIN EAR for reality in politics. You are an utter chump and just so bad at it and such bloody daft propositions. Your puns are not funny and your suggestions are just gormless. Other than that you may be a nice enough chap? Uncle Carlton...leave the boy be. He is young, psephologically foolish and probably happy ( a 70s pop reference for those with soul based proclivities). |
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Post by andrewp on Jan 19, 2020 18:21:34 GMT
I suspect he might have still got to his bored with politics position, and been looking for something else. he’s very good at the railway journeys IMO. He was terrible (IMO) in the early series. Gave every impression of never having previously spoken to a human being in his life. He has got better since then, but the series have got worse - now we have reached Series 102 it's simply a vaguely geographically linked series of vignettes of places and things. With bonus points for silly clothes, dancing or finding it difficult to perform skills for which he has received no training. I agree that the series have got worse. He’s been nearly everywhere now, and it is onto tenuous things now- some of which are quite some way from the railway line. He’s better at presenting than talking to real people. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 19, 2020 21:51:57 GMT
Putting aside the implausibility of this scenario, Boris would obviously have stormed to victory. The Conservative Party is better off without dripping wet Lib Dems in disguise like Stewart. Stewart isn't a Lib Dem. Not quite sure what he is, but no Lib Dem. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jan 20, 2020 9:04:13 GMT
What if Rory Stewart made it to the final two? If Javid is knocked out earlier could he beat Gove and Hunt?
Boris Johnson would still have won and by a wide margin, not because Boris Johnson would be the better leader but because Boris Johnson will always get more votes from the electorate than Rory Stewart and in this election that was all most Conservative MPs were interested in.
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 20, 2020 9:17:16 GMT
What if Rory Stewart made it to the final two? If Javid is knocked out earlier could he beat Gove and Hunt?
Boris Johnson would still have won and by a wide margin, not because Boris Johnson would be the better leader but because Boris Johnson will always get more votes from the electorate than Rory Stewart and in this election that was all most Conservative MPs were interested in.
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What do YOU mean by the 'Better Leader' then? Better at what? What is Leadership to YOU? Boris and Cimming stopped the rot. United most of the party. Made the WA semi-acceptable to many members and most of our voters. Changed the tone and the mood of the party. Fought just the right level of campaign. Purged a lot of Remainiacs. Tidied up the candidate list to Leavers. Won a stonking majority in the GE. Came out with a raft of new ideas. Are taking the party in a new direction. Have made what was a tired failing party look renewed. Left us in a very clear lead in the polls after 4-elections and 10-years. If that is not leadership what the hell is leadership? And why on earth would we prefer a pint-sized wet SDP tribute act to this form of success? Well? Bloody tell us then? |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jan 20, 2020 9:26:20 GMT
Boris Johnson would still have won and by a wide margin, not because Boris Johnson would be the better leader but because Boris Johnson will always get more votes from the electorate than Rory Stewart and in this election that was all most Conservative MPs were interested in.
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What do YOU mean by the 'Better Leader' then? Better at what. What is Leadership to YOU? Boris and Cimming stopped the rot. United most of the party. Made the WA semi-acceptable to many members and most of our voters. Changed the tone and the mood of the party. Fought just the right level of campaign. Purged a lot of Remainiacs. Tidied up the candidate list to Leavers. Won a stonking majority in the GE. Came out with a raft of new ideas. Are taking the party in a new direction. Have made what was a tired failing party look renewed. Left us in a very clear lead in the polls after 4-elections and 10-years. If that is not leadership what the hell is leadership? And why on earth would we prefer a pint-sized wet SDP tribute act to this form of success. Well? Bloody tell us then?
I meant 'leader' more as in better Prime Minister for the country. It's very difficult to predict how well someone will do before they are in the job. Personally I don't think there would be much in it between the two in how well they would do as Prime Minister, because where Boris Johnson is likely to be over bold, Rory Stewart would likely be not bold enough.
In terms of leader of the Conservative Party, in terms of votes in 2019, Boris Johnson was always the best, only, choice the Conservatives had. As leader Rory Stewart would never have gained half as many seats as Boris Johnson did.
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