CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Aug 14, 2020 17:57:19 GMT
It is a ridiculous system of election. Seanad Éireann has six members nominated by the Taoiseach, which often means that those who lost the Dail election reappear here. So, Regina Doherty, the minister who lost her seat at the election, is now, without election, back as Leader of the Seanad. She gets a basic salary of €68,11, an additional salary of €20,177 as Leader of the Seanad, all without bother of standing for election. The other 54 are elected from either the universities (6) or various panels. Each vote is recorded as a 1,000. It is absolutely bloody stupid and makes the House of Lords look sensible.
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Post by johnloony on Aug 14, 2020 19:59:44 GMT
It is a ridiculous system of election. Seanad Éireann has six members nominated by the Taoiseach, which often means that those who lost the Dail election reappear here. So, Regina Doherty, the minister who lost her seat at the election, is now, without election, back as Leader of the Seanad. She gets a basic salary of €68,11, an additional salary of €20,177 as Leader of the Seanad, all without bother of standing for election. The other 54 are elected from either the universities (6) or various panels. Each vote is recorded as a 1,000. It is absolutely bloody stupid and makes the House of Lords look sensible. Presicely. Which is why I was wondering if there are any better ideas of how "indirect" elections could happen. |
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Post by greenchristian on Aug 14, 2020 20:55:36 GMT
It is a ridiculous system of election. Seanad Éireann has six members nominated by the Taoiseach, which often means that those who lost the Dail election reappear here. So, Regina Doherty, the minister who lost her seat at the election, is now, without election, back as Leader of the Seanad. She gets a basic salary of €68,11, an additional salary of €20,177 as Leader of the Seanad, all without bother of standing for election. The other 54 are elected from either the universities (6) or various panels. Each vote is recorded as a 1,000. It is absolutely bloody stupid and makes the House of Lords look sensible. Presicely. Which is why I was wondering if there are any better ideas of how "indirect" elections could happen. US Presidential Elections use an indirect election system. Despite the system's faults, it's probably the most practical example that is currently in use. |
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Post by greenhert on Aug 14, 2020 21:59:03 GMT
Lords Reform will never happen until there's a sensible compromise in favour of an indirect election and appointment system.... Do you have any ideas or suggestions about how elections could be "indirect"? In Ireland they have weird "functional constituencies" for professions and whatever. Look at the Bundesrat in Germany. That is indirectly elected from the Lander. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Aug 15, 2020 19:18:58 GMT
Germany has a federal system. We do not (sadly).
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Post by tonyhill on Aug 16, 2020 6:16:11 GMT
Unlike some posters I very much support the idea of a second chamber and am pleased that this thread exists, particularly because of the valuable inside knowledge provided by tonygreaves. BUT - it is in the wrong place. I have just trawled through all ten pages and there is only one item that relates to a change of affiliation (Defection if you like). It should be listed in General UK Politics, not Defections.
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 16, 2020 8:49:23 GMT
Unlike some posters I very much support the idea of a second chamber and am pleased that this thread exists, particularly because of the valuable inside knowledge provided by tonygreaves. BUT - it is in the wrong place. I have just trawled through all ten pages and there is only one item that relates to a change of affiliation (Defection if you like). It should be listed in General UK Politics, not Defections. I'm inclined to agree with you, with the qualification that if you look at most of the threads in this defections board an awful lot of them are incined to stray from a strict interpretation of defections anyway. But maybe the administration should look at this one? AdminSTB ? or does the noble lord want to pull rank and insist his thread stays where it is?He is after all a real lord unlike our administrator  |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Aug 16, 2020 8:51:33 GMT
Split it, or someone just start and Lordly thread in the general section.
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Post by curiousliberal on Aug 16, 2020 16:12:29 GMT
Lord Livermore (Labour) has been on leave of absence since July 31.
I was getting quite optimistic about the numbers on the red benches shrinking in the absence of an Honours List. Oh well.
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Post by tonygreaves on Aug 18, 2020 13:30:17 GMT
Lord Livermore (Labour) has been on leave of absence since July 31. I was getting quite optimistic about the numbers on the red benches shrinking in the absence of an Honours List. Oh well. Indeed - I wonder why. I suppose he's gone off to get a job somewhere. Labour can do without losing younger peers like this - they struggle a bit to keep up a full team on the front bench. Basically they have had no substantial reinforcements for 10 years. |
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Post by markgoodair on Aug 18, 2020 14:52:56 GMT
It is a ridiculous system of election. Seanad Éireann has six members nominated by the Taoiseach, which often means that those who lost the Dail election reappear here. So, Regina Doherty, the minister who lost her seat at the election, is now, without election, back as Leader of the Seanad. She gets a basic salary of €68,11, an additional salary of €20,177 as Leader of the Seanad, all without bother of standing for election. The other 54 are elected from either the universities (6) or various panels. Each vote is recorded as a 1,000. It is absolutely bloody stupid and makes the House of Lords look sensible. Presicely. Which is why I was wondering if there are any better ideas of how "indirect" elections could happen. Why not have one councillor from each local authority elected for a one year term at the Annual General Meeting of each authority? |
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Post by peterl on Aug 18, 2020 15:05:32 GMT
Doesn't sound too bad. Better than political apointees. Only snag is some councils are much larger than others. The Scilly Isles would get the same representation as Wiltshire.
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Post by neilm on Aug 18, 2020 15:35:32 GMT
Lord Livermore (Labour) has been on leave of absence since July 31. I was getting quite optimistic about the numbers on the red benches shrinking in the absence of an Honours List. Oh well. Indeed - I wonder why. I suppose he's gone off to get a job somewhere. Labour can do without losing younger peers like this - they struggle a bit to keep up a full team on the front bench. Basically they have had no substantial reinforcements for 10 years. I wonder if, like Darling, he thought he might get a role in a Labour government and now that isn't likely for a while he's decided to make some money elsewhere. |
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Post by markgoodair on Aug 18, 2020 15:44:15 GMT
Doesn't sound too bad. Better than political apointees. Only snag is some councils are much larger than others. The Scilly Isles would get the same representation as Wiltshire. No different to the US Senate then . |
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Post by peterl on Aug 18, 2020 15:48:10 GMT
True. This could also substantially reduce support for merging councils, since less representation would be afforded.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 26, 2020 8:56:59 GMT
Tony Woodley, ex GS of TGWU and Unite the Union, is not going to take up the Peerage he had been awarded in the Working Peers List.
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Post by Khunanup on Aug 26, 2020 10:58:55 GMT
Tony Woodley, ex GS of TGWU and Unite the Union, is not going to take up the Peerage he had been awarded in the Working Peers List. Any idea why? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 26, 2020 12:32:14 GMT
Just seems like he had second thoughts. His statement mentions that Jack Jones never took a peerage (and he was certainly offered one).
I think the last person who was included on an honours list but then withdrew their acceptance was Sir Ian Horobin, and he's not a happy precedent, but that's no reason to presume the circumstances are in any way similar.
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Post by tonygreaves on Aug 27, 2020 21:09:47 GMT
How extraordinary, and just further shambles in Labour appointing peers. I can't think they will get a replacement and the way numbers are moving in the Lords every vote will count.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 27, 2020 21:31:13 GMT
I think the problem is Corbyn appointing peers. The number of people who are good Corbyn allies, have sufficient experience to justify awarding them a peerage, and don't have a fundamental objection to becoming a Peer of the Realm, must be fairly limited.
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