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Post by greenhert on Jun 30, 2020 15:03:10 GMT
It had six between 1979 and 1987. One, you mean, namely Keith Best.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 30, 2020 15:08:58 GMT
I for one welcome the new protections for Ynys Môn (even if it's not quite how I'd have done it); every single proposal I've seen for a cross-Menai seat has been an utter, unforgivable abomination. I think it may make things easier in the rest of North Wales and mean there will be no need to cross the boundary between Powys and South Wales (basically the remainder of Gwynedd, Clwyd and Powys will be good for eight seats)
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jun 30, 2020 15:30:18 GMT
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Post by iainbhx on Jun 30, 2020 15:36:11 GMT
It had six between 1979 and 1987. One, you mean, namely Keith Best. Who made six applications for BT shares when they were privatised, hence David's comment.
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Post by greenhert on Jun 30, 2020 16:30:10 GMT
One, you mean, namely Keith Best. Who made six applications for BT shares when they were privatised, hence David's comment. Ah yes Eric Cockeram also made multiple applications for those shares, although unlike Mr Best he did not end up jailed.
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Post by Wisconsin on Jun 30, 2020 18:05:23 GMT
Does anyone know what six names Best used in his applications?
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jun 30, 2020 18:42:29 GMT
Does anyone know what six names Best used in his applications? I think there were only three names, but he also used multiple addresses.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 30, 2020 18:54:46 GMT
He used three variations on his own full name "Keith Lander Best".
What's more amusing is the way he and Eric Cockeram were caught - the Labour Research Department (part of the TUC) were going through the list of BT shares application to compare with the list of MPs, so that they could check to see if any Labour MPs had applied for shares and could be attacked for supporting Tory privatisation.
(There weren't any)
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Post by therealriga on Jun 30, 2020 19:10:03 GMT
So if Ynys Môn gets protected that will mean that England, Scotland and Wales all have protected constituencies. Fairness therefore demands that the 4th nation of the UK get one too and that the good folk of Rathlin Island get a protected constituency.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 30, 2020 19:13:02 GMT
So if Ynys Môn gets protected that will mean that England, Scotland and Wales all have protected constituencies. Fairness therefore demands that the 4th nation of the UK get one too and that the good folk of Rathlin Island get a protected constituency. Protecting Ynys Mon is absolute nonsense. It has two road routes linking it to the mainland and a train service. Stand at the end of Bangor Pier and you can listen in on conversations on the island! (You can certainly hear dogs barking)
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 30, 2020 19:35:22 GMT
So if Ynys Môn gets protected that will mean that England, Scotland and Wales all have protected constituencies. Fairness therefore demands that the 4th nation of the UK get one too and that the good folk of Rathlin Island get a protected constituency. Protecting Ynys Mon is absolute nonsense. It has two road routes linking it to the mainland and a train service. Stand at the end of Bangor Pier and you can listen in on conversations on the island! (You can certainly hear dogs barking) Are you saying that's what goes for conversations on the island? If so, yes I have spent some time there and I do know what you mean.
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Post by Wisconsin on Jun 30, 2020 20:00:11 GMT
Regarding the Isle of Wight seats, are there any statutory requirements to consider their relative electorates?
Unless I’ve missed something, as Rule 2 doesn’t apply, if the other warranted it, the Commission could come up with two very differently sized seats...
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 30, 2020 20:49:29 GMT
Protecting Ynys Mon is absolute nonsense. It has two road routes linking it to the mainland and a train service. Stand at the end of Bangor Pier and you can listen in on conversations on the island! (You can certainly hear dogs barking) Are you saying that's what goes for conversations on the island? If so, yes I have spent some time there and I do know what you mean. I would never compare the folk of Anglesey with dogs. Pigs, yes. But not dogs. (Anglesey folk are widely known as Moch mon - Anglesey pigs. I will check why#. My mother always used to say that they lift the pig to see who's passing; too late to ask her why.) # Believed to originate with the extensive pig rearing industry on the island. First record is from 1805 so in long use. Lifting them to see who/ what is passing just seems to be us mainland folk making fun of them. "The pigs are part of the household so they like them to know what's going on".
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 1, 2020 4:01:23 GMT
Regarding the Isle of Wight seats, are there any statutory requirements to consider their relative electorates? Unless I’ve missed something, as Rule 2 doesn’t apply, if the other warranted it, the Commission could come up with two very differently sized seats... Indeed the Wight seats started even with the first zombie review first draft and got progressively unbalanced ever since. They'll eventually end up with an Isle of Wight seat and a House of Mr Jones Whom Nobody Likes But Who Will Vote Tory seat.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 1, 2020 10:13:43 GMT
So if Ynys Môn gets protected that will mean that England, Scotland and Wales all have protected constituencies. Fairness therefore demands that the 4th nation of the UK get one too and that the good folk of Rathlin Island get a protected constituency. Protecting Ynys Mon is absolute nonsense. It has two road routes linking it to the mainland and a train service. Stand at the end of Bangor Pier and you can listen in on conversations on the island! (You can certainly hear dogs barking) Wait for the Isle of Ely and Isle of Thanet to make their case. Seriously though, the Scilly Isles really have been left behind in this discussion. They get cut off from the mainland in bad weather in the winter and have a far more deserving case. Albeit the electoral imbalance would be quite something!
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Post by pl on Jul 1, 2020 10:51:32 GMT
Protecting Ynys Mon is absolute nonsense. It has two road routes linking it to the mainland and a train service. Stand at the end of Bangor Pier and you can listen in on conversations on the island! (You can certainly hear dogs barking) Wait for the Isle of Ely and Isle of Thanet to make their case. What about the Isle of Dogs? It even went as far as declaring UDI in 1970!
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 1, 2020 10:57:26 GMT
Based on the above arguments re Ynys Mon, if the IOW ever got a road bridge to the mainland it would reduce their claim to be treated separately?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 1, 2020 12:00:21 GMT
Based on the above arguments re Ynys Mon, if the IOW ever got a road bridge to the mainland it would reduce their claim to be treated separately? Yes. But given the island's frequent ferry links I think its current protected status is unjustified. Other than W Isles and O&S I can't see any case for special status.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jul 1, 2020 16:40:46 GMT
So if Ynys Môn gets protected that will mean that England, Scotland and Wales all have protected constituencies. Fairness therefore demands that the 4th nation of the UK get one too and that the good folk of Rathlin Island get a protected constituency. Protecting Ynys Mon is absolute nonsense. It's worse than that. Yes, it's probably good news for Virginia Crosbie, but even without adding Bangor, the island is still a marginal. Meanwhile the result of this is likely to force abolishing Montgomeryshire, the safest Conservative seat in Wales. Not a very clever gerrymander at all really.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 1, 2020 16:48:09 GMT
Protecting Ynys Mon is absolute nonsense. It's worse than that. Yes, it's probably good news for Virginia Crosbie, but even without adding Bangor, the island is still a marginal. Meanwhile the result of this is likely to force abolishing Montgomeryshire, the safest Conservative seat in Wales. Not a very clever gerrymander at all really. Surely it is the opposite. Instead of all those Tory votes piling up in Montgomeryshire, they can be more efficiently added to 2 (or more) neighbouring seats.
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