Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Jan 17, 2020 13:25:08 GMT
A decade is 10 years, so yes you can pick any 10 years, start it anytime; when the test card was first shown on TV is a good a date as any.
Mathematically however we're still in the 2nd decade of the twenty first century as we're in the 20th year of the Century. 👽
"mathematically" the most logical definition of a decade is when the digit representing 10 years changes. In other words we started a new decade at the beginning of 2020, and finished the last one at the end of 2019. The issue arises because a 6th century monk decided that Jesus was born at 1 AD, exactly one year after 1 BC. This is completely unmathematical and also not how we measure the age of any other person. We all celebrated the new millennium on 1st January 2000,and quite right too! I honestly don't know that I care, just as long as I don't need to put up with all those best/worst of the decade lists about everything for two years in a row! |
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Jan 17, 2020 13:26:40 GMT
who was the one opposition in this seat? from the result and previous results it would suggest the Tories but your assessment suggests it was the Lib Dems I think the LDs see if as a Ward in which they could grow their vote; looking at Twitter they seemed to be more interested in attacking the Elected Mayor, so maybe figure if they expand their vote in Wards such as this they could creep in to the top two and benefit particularly from Green but other anti Labour preferences. Or maybe the Lib Dems realised that they now had an incumbent councillor who might want to keep their seat in a ward they've not campaigned in much recently  |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jan 17, 2020 13:47:44 GMT
It seemed on paper that Labour might have the strongest local candidate here. Unless there was anything not obvious that made that not the case. Again just browsing on Twitter there also seemed a high degree of likeability for Kerry McCarthy (in whose constituency the Ward falls) that was reflecting on the Party more generally. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 17, 2020 14:01:39 GMT
J.G.Harston: It was a mink that decided that? That explains it all then. A pretty furry decision.
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Post by andrewp on Jan 17, 2020 14:02:13 GMT
It seemed on paper that Labour might have the strongest local candidate here. Unless there was anything not obvious that made that not the case. Again just browsing on Twitter there also seemed a high degree of likeability for Kerry McCarthy (in whose constituency the Ward falls) that was reflecting on the Party more generally. Kerry McCarthy does come across quite well. The Tory candidate lived a few miles away, and the Lib Dem just had ‘address in Bristol’ so not sure where she lived. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 17, 2020 14:11:42 GMT
J.G.Harston: It was a mink that decided that? That explains it all then. A pretty furry decision. I saw that and thought I had to get my (non PC) coat.. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 17, 2020 14:26:54 GMT
...We all celebrated the new millennium on 1st January 2000,and quite right too! "We"?!? "All"?!!!?! Speak for yourself! You, as an individual, may have celebrated the new millennium on 1st Jan 2000, and a tiny minority of frenziedly deranged idiots and morons might also have done so, but the vast and overwhelming majority of ordinary normal decent people celebrated it on 1st January 2001. I am sure that vast majority of people all went to work on the extra Bank Holiday and refused to watch any fireworks! Basically the worldwide celebration of the new millennium at midnight on 31st Dec 1999 reset the mathematical idiocy of having no time zero in a calendar that goes from negative to positive, and it is really quite hard to believe anyone is still arguing about it! 20 full years and two whole decades of this millennium are now complete. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 17, 2020 14:29:31 GMT
"We"?!? "All"?!!!?! Speak for yourself! You, as an individual, may have celebrated the new millennium on 1st Jan 2000, and a tiny minority of frenziedly deranged idiots and morons might also have done so, but the vast and overwhelming majority of ordinary normal decent people celebrated it on 1st January 2001. I am sure that vast majority of people all went to work on the extra Bank Holiday and refused to watch any fireworks! Basically the worldwide celebration of the new millennium at midnight on 31st Dec 1999 reset the mathematical idiocy of having no time zero in a calendar that goes from negative to positive, and it is really quite hard to believe anyone is still arguing about it! 20 full years and two whole decades of this millennium are now complete. |
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peterl
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Post by peterl on Jan 17, 2020 15:03:37 GMT
...We all celebrated the new millennium on 1st January 2000,and quite right too! "We"?!? "All"?!!!?! Speak for yourself! You, as an individual, may have celebrated the new millennium on 1st Jan 2000, and a tiny minority of frenziedly deranged idiots and morons might also have done so, but the vast and overwhelming majority of ordinary normal decent people celebrated it on 1st January 2001. Don't tell me that you believed all those huckters who told you that the real millenium was 2001?! (Gold star for anyone who gets the reference). |
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iang
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Post by iang on Jan 17, 2020 15:24:31 GMT
It's a bit disturbing to see Bede referred to in passing as just "some monk". And whatever the maths, as a historian I always tell my classes that as we begin numbering AD dates from Year 1 not Year zero (whatever the reason), this is therefore the last year of a decade not the first (and it's interesting to note that the Victorians celebrated their new Millenium in 1901)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 17, 2020 15:28:01 GMT
It would be a tie at 36 Labour and 36 for the combined opposition, because Marvin Rees has a vote as Mayor. Read the first post of page 2. Wrong. Harriet Bradley may be suspended from holding office in the Labour Party but she is not suspended from the Labour whip and therefore remains a Labour councillor. See: democracy.bristol.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=597 |
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Post by andrewp on Jan 17, 2020 15:36:15 GMT
Read the first post of page 2. Wrong. Harriet Bradley may be suspended from holding office in the Labour Party but she is not suspended from the Labour whip and therefore remains a Labour councillor. See: democracy.bristol.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=597So it remains Lab 36 + Mayor, Opposition 34. Out of interest Davıd Boothroyd I assume you would have recorded 35+ Mayor vs 35 as a Labour overall control council rather than NOC? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 17, 2020 15:52:30 GMT
So it remains Lab 36 + Mayor, Opposition 34. Out of interest Davıd Boothroyd I assume you would have recorded 35+ Mayor vs 35 as a Labour overall control council rather than NOC? I would indeed. But I would record it as Labour control anyway because the directly-elected Mayor controls the executive. |
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mboy
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Post by mboy on Jan 17, 2020 16:14:12 GMT
Read the first post of page 2. Wrong. Harriet Bradley may be suspended from holding office in the Labour Party but she is not suspended from the Labour whip and therefore remains a Labour councillor. See: democracy.bristol.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=597I wouldn't take the Bristol Council website as indicative of anything - they are notorious for being out of date. But perhaps you have internal knowledge we don't, in particular what it actually means to be "suspended from holding office in the Labour Party but not suspended from the Labour whip" because that sounds nuts. The people I spoke to involved in the council were certain that if the by election was lost then the committee memberships would all be altered to remove Labour majorities. The media report here says: "She has been suspended as a member of the Labour Group on Bristol City Council while the Labour Party investigation into November’s Facebook post takes place."
www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-city-councillor-suspended-labour-3638028In any case, it's irrelevant now as Labour didn't lose. (Note this is the second time she's been suspended. She was in 2016 as well for something else loony) |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 17, 2020 17:59:54 GMT
J.G.Harston: It was a mink that decided that? That explains it all then. A pretty furry decision. On the otter hand, it could have been a native river mammal. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 17, 2020 18:25:34 GMT
J.G.Harston : It was a mink that decided that? That explains it all then. A pretty furry decision. On the otter hand, it could have been a native river mammal. It musk be true. |
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Jan 17, 2020 18:31:25 GMT
On the otter hand, it could have been a native river mammal. It musk be true. you stole that idea |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 17, 2020 18:43:38 GMT
We could probably wrap this one up now. |
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jan 17, 2020 18:53:03 GMT
It's a bit disturbing to see Bede referred to in passing as just "some monk". And whatever the maths, as a historian I always tell my classes that as we begin numbering AD dates from Year 1 not Year zero (whatever the reason), this is therefore the last year of a decade not the first (and it's interesting to note that the Victorians celebrated their new Millenium in 1901) It should be obvious from the fact that we do the same with days and months. The day after the last day of December is 01/01 not 00/00. First Day of the First Month of the umpty-umpty-First Year. |
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Post by andrewteale on Jan 17, 2020 21:42:16 GMT
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