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Post by andrew111 on Sept 6, 2019 14:57:17 GMT
Sam,
I do not see any ward breakdown there, only the result for the whole authority?
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Post by bjornhattan on Sept 6, 2019 16:11:07 GMT
Regarding the 2016 Bromley ward breakdown, Tory cllrs constantly remind us these are only approximate, as postal votes were spread across all wards and counted on a borough wide (not ward specific) basis. Ward counting desks with a lower turnout or smaller wards might have had more PVs to count but it is the only breakdown we have so I have continued to refer to it too.....but that is worth noting. Bromley counted the recent European elections in the same way as we were told so by the Electoral services staff at the count. If postal votes were mixed in, then I'd suspect that would level out the results (since Bromley as a whole was a tie). Hard to say by how much, but as a ballpark figure, if 20% of votes were postal, a 65% figure would translate to a 69% Leave vote (assuming my maths is correct). I did suspect Bromley mixed their postal votes, because I recall seeing places like Penge having Leave votes of 40%+, despite being essentially part of Inner London. |
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Post by jacoblamsden on Sept 6, 2019 17:19:47 GMT
Regarding the 2016 Bromley ward breakdown, Tory cllrs constantly remind us these are only approximate, as postal votes were spread across all wards and counted on a borough wide (not ward specific) basis. Ward counting desks with a lower turnout or smaller wards might have had more PVs to count but it is the only breakdown we have so I have continued to refer to it too.....but that is worth noting. Bromley counted the recent European elections in the same way as we were told so by the Electoral services staff at the count. If postal votes were mixed in, then I'd suspect that would level out the results (since Bromley as a whole was a tie). Hard to say by how much, but as a ballpark figure, if 20% of votes were postal, a 65% figure would translate to a 69% Leave vote (assuming my maths is correct). I did suspect Bromley mixed their postal votes, because I recall seeing places like Penge having Leave votes of 40%+, despite being essentially part of Inner London. Penge may look like inner London, but it really isn't. There's still a sizable WWC population who would have broken strongly for leave - so I would guess that 40%+ for leave in 'Penge & Cator' ward is about right - especially since the 'Cator' part of the ward is really a part of even less inner-Londony Beckenham - not Penge. |
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Post by where2travel on Sept 7, 2019 4:42:39 GMT
Agreed that 40% or so for leave in Penge & Cator doesn't sound unreasonable. I live on the other side of New Beckenham station in Copers Cope ward and am often surprised how the Cator part of Penge and Cator seems very different to the rest of the ward. In fact, parts of Clock House and going towards Elmers End/Birkbeck feel more like inner-London than Cator.
Sorry, that's off-topic in the Orpington thread but posters are right that the EU ref results for Bromley were broken down by ward. Ultimately, Beckenham was remain approx 55%, Orpington leave by approx 55%+ with Bromley and Chislehurst somewhere in the middle. Obviously this ignores the part of Bromley that isn't covered by these constituencies (and sits in Lewisham West & Penge) - Crystal Palace, P&C and Clock House.
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Post by MeirionGwril on Sept 7, 2019 9:23:32 GMT
Penge bungalow murder - beware!!!  |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 7, 2019 12:51:55 GMT
Penge bungalow murder - beware!!! The fact that this post has been liked by Davıd Boothroyd suggests to me that it's a subtle cultural reference (which I don't get) but it might be helpful to point out that Penge is where Empress Irene the Second of Byzantium lives. |
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Post by john07 on Sept 7, 2019 13:00:29 GMT
Penge bungalow murder - beware!!! The fact that this post has been liked by Davıd Boothroyd suggests to me that it's a subtle cultural reference (which I don't get) but it might be helpful to point out that Penge is where Empress Irene the Second of Byzantium lives. You need a good barrister to defend yourself after that comment. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 7, 2019 13:58:17 GMT
Penge bungalow murder - beware!!! The fact that this post has been liked by Davıd Boothroyd suggests to me that it's a subtle cultural reference (which I don't get) but it might be helpful to point out that Penge is where Empress Irene the Second of Byzantium lives. " C H Wiston QC always reminded me of a lobster, snatched from the sea and plunged into boiling water. His face and bald head were of a uniform pink". |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 7, 2019 14:02:09 GMT
The fact that this post has been liked by Davıd Boothroyd suggests to me that it's a subtle cultural reference (which I don't get) but it might be helpful to point out that Penge is where Empress Irene the Second of Byzantium lives. You need a good barrister to defend yourself after that comment. That chap Sam Ballard sounds like a good choice. Give them a bit of the old soft soap treatment. |
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Post by john07 on Sept 7, 2019 15:03:22 GMT
You need a good barrister to defend yourself after that comment. That chap Sam Ballard sounds like a good choice. Give them a bit of the old soft soap treatment. As long as Sir Guthrie Featherstone is the judge and not Mad Bull Bullingham! |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 7, 2019 16:56:43 GMT
You need a good barrister to defend yourself after that comment. That chap Sam Ballard sounds like a good choice. Give them a bit of the old soft soap treatment. I now know what the "Penge bungalow murder" reference was, because I googled it; but now I'm confuzzled because Google also tells me that Sam Ballard is the man who ate a slug. I'm guessing a different Sam Ballard was one of the barristers in one of the books. P.S. I have now found said Sam Ballard on Wikipedia. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 7, 2019 17:14:12 GMT
Does anyone remember the 1962 Orpington by-election?
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Post by john07 on Sept 7, 2019 18:30:04 GMT
Does anyone remember the 1962 Orpington by-election? I certainly do recall it. I was at school at the time It was held on Thursday 14 March, 1962, one day after the Blackpool North by-election which was on the Wednesday. Since then all by-elections have been held on Thursday In Blackpool, the Conservatives majority of nearly 16,000 was reduced to 973 because of a Liberal surge. Shirley Summerskill for Labour also polled a respectable 26.4%. This provided a perfect launchpad for the Liberals. Unlike at Blackpool North, the Labour vote in Orpington collapsed with tactical votes going to Eric Lubbock. Labour fielded a Northern trade unionist, Alan Jinkinson, who attacked Lubbock for supporting unilateral nuclear disarmament. That made it much easier for radical voters to support the Liberals. |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 7, 2019 22:00:01 GMT
Does anyone remember the 1962 Orpington by-election? I certainly do recall it. I was at school at the time It was held on Thursday 14 March, 1962, one day after the Blackpool North by-election which was on the Wednesday. Since then all by-elections have been held on Thursday Not quite. Hamilton was on Wednesday 31st May 1978, in order to avoid a clash with a key football match on the Thursday. Manchester Exchange was Wednesday 27th June 1973, I think because the Returning Officer miscalculated the dates in the timetable. |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 7, 2019 23:11:56 GMT
That chap Sam Ballard sounds like a good choice. Give them a bit of the old soft soap treatment. I now know what the "Penge bungalow murder" reference was, because I googled it; but now I'm confuzzled because Google also tells me that Sam Ballard is the man who ate a slug. I'm guessing a different Sam Ballard was one of the barristers in one of the books. P.S. I have now found said Sam Ballard on Wikipedia. In your 'social life' you must have ruined thousands of anecdotes and jokes. |
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Post by iang on Sept 8, 2019 9:22:11 GMT
Does anyone remember the 1962 Orpington by-election? I certainly do recall it. I was at school at the time It was held on Thursday 14 March, 1962, one day after the Blackpool North by-election which was on the Wednesday. Since then all by-elections have been held on Thursday In Blackpool, the Conservatives majority of nearly 16,000 was reduced to 973 because of a Liberal surge. Shirley Summerskill for Labour also polled a respectable 26.4%. This provided a perfect launchpad for the Liberals. Unlike at Blackpool North, the Labour vote in Orpington collapsed with tactical votes going to Eric Lubbock. Labour fielded a Northern trade unionist, Alan Jinkinson, who attacked Lubbock for supporting unilateral nuclear disarmament. That made it much easier for radical voters to support the Liberals. |
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Post by froome on Sept 8, 2019 10:27:16 GMT
Does anyone remember the 1962 Orpington by-election? I was also at school during the by-election, and several pupils at the school lived in Orpington, so there was a buzz of excitement around the school when the result came in. I may have even written Liberal on my school satchel at the time.  |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 8, 2019 10:35:20 GMT
I now know what the "Penge bungalow murder" reference was, because I googled it; but now I'm confuzzled because Google also tells me that Sam Ballard is the man who ate a slug. I'm guessing a different Sam Ballard was one of the barristers in one of the books. P.S. I have now found said Sam Ballard on Wikipedia. In your 'social life' you must have ruined thousands of anecdotes and jokes. Why? How? I don't get it. |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 8, 2019 10:37:10 GMT
In your 'social life' you must have ruined thousands of anecdotes and jokes. Why? How? I don't get it. I know. That is the whole of the problem. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 8, 2019 14:00:25 GMT
Does anyone remember the 1962 Orpington by-election? I was also at school during the by-election, and several pupils at the school lived in Orpington, so there was a buzz of excitement around the school when the result came in. I may have even written Liberal on my school satchel at the time. Vandal!
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