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Post by The Bishop on May 7, 2019 10:23:05 GMT
Why are the SNP in lilac? Is that to avoid confusion with the Liberals? IIRC some sort of shade of lilac/purple was once quite often used as the SNP "colour", certainly until the 1980s at least. |
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Post by neilm on May 7, 2019 10:41:15 GMT
Why are the SNP in lilac? Is that to avoid confusion with the Liberals? IIRC some sort of shade of lilac/purple was once quite often used as the SNP "colour", certainly until the 1980s at least. Indeed, we've discussed this before on here I think. My partner was watching with me and expressed confusion with Jeremy Thorpe's colours. I vaguely recall Labour being green in parts of the Westcountry in the mid-80s and am pretty sure that Ted Short had a green rosette early on in the 1979 programme. |
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Post by The Bishop on May 7, 2019 10:47:11 GMT
Labour were green in parts of the Newcastle area until around 1990 if not longer.
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Post by polaris on May 8, 2019 10:24:35 GMT
It would be good if BBC Parliament would broadcast old local election programmes as well rather than constantly repeating proceedings in the various legislatures across the UK. It would be good, although it would be appealing to an extremely niche market.
What local elections would you want to watch? I'd want to see 1995.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on May 8, 2019 11:02:21 GMT
It would be good if BBC Parliament would broadcast old local election programmes as well rather than constantly repeating proceedings in the various legislatures across the UK. It would be good, although it would be appealing to an extremely niche market.
What local elections would you want to watch? I'd want to see 1995.
So it wouldn't be much different to the rest of the channel's programming then.  |
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Post by polaris on May 8, 2019 11:28:46 GMT
It would be good, although it would be appealing to an extremely niche market.
What local elections would you want to watch? I'd want to see 1995.
So it wouldn't be much different to the rest of the channel's programming then. Well, it would be even more niche than broadcasting parliamentary debates or past general elections!
I note that there is some coverage on YouTube from Thames TV of local elections in London and the South East from the 1980s - the GLC and shire counties in 1981 and the London Boroughs in 1982.
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Post by AdminSTB on May 8, 2019 16:15:51 GMT
It would be good if BBC Parliament would broadcast old local election programmes as well rather than constantly repeating proceedings in the various legislatures across the UK. It would be good, although it would be appealing to an extremely niche market.
What local elections would you want to watch? I'd want to see 1995.
1968, I suppose. Come to think of it, when did TV channels begin devoting special programmes for local election nights? I imagine it would have been more difficult before 1975 when polling days were scattered over the year depending on where you were voting. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 8, 2019 17:34:17 GMT
The 1990 local election coverage by Thames TV remains the exemplar of the genre. I may still have some of it on video
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Post by pragmaticidealist on May 8, 2019 17:58:18 GMT
It would be good, although it would be appealing to an extremely niche market.
What local elections would you want to watch? I'd want to see 1995.
1968, I suppose. Come to think of it, when did TV channels begin devoting special programmes for local election nights? I imagine it would have been more difficult before 1975 when polling days were scattered over the year depending on where you were voting. There's also the question as to whether the footage has been preserved. It'd be interesting to see previous Sky election nights (of any kind) as their graphics have tended to be the best. Their 1992 programme apparently had an exit poll with us ahead (both in votes and seats), which is quite possibly the only general election exit poll ever to incorrectly predict the largest party (the Tories were slightly ahead in both the BBC and ITN exit polls that year). And more generally, it would be interesting to see how it looked and felt, given that it was the pre-Premiership football era. |
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Post by timrollpickering on May 8, 2019 18:13:14 GMT
Come to think of it, when did TV channels begin devoting special programmes for local election nights? I imagine it would have been more difficult before 1975 when polling days were scattered over the year depending on where you were voting. Weren't they scattered even in the 1990s? ISTR a row over a Panorama interview because Scottish local elections (which were not mentioned in it) were being held that week and Northern Ireland having its locals some weeks later in 1997. |
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Post by AdminSTB on May 8, 2019 18:41:35 GMT
Come to think of it, when did TV channels begin devoting special programmes for local election nights? I imagine it would have been more difficult before 1975 when polling days were scattered over the year depending on where you were voting. Weren't they scattered even in the 1990s? ISTR a row over a Panorama interview because Scottish local elections (which were not mentioned in it) were being held that week and Northern Ireland having its locals some weeks later in 1997. Yes. I should have inserted the words "far more" between "were" and "scattered". |
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Post by finsobruce on May 8, 2019 19:12:28 GMT
The 1990 local election coverage by Thames TV remains the exemplar of the genre. I may still have some of it on video sad I think you mean "pioneering". |
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Post by Andrew_S on May 8, 2019 19:33:08 GMT
The 1990 local election coverage by Thames TV remains the exemplar of the genre. I may still have some of it on video I'd very much like to see that programme. |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on May 8, 2019 22:48:58 GMT
1968, I suppose. Come to think of it, when did TV channels begin devoting special programmes for local election nights? I imagine it would have been more difficult before 1975 when polling days were scattered over the year depending on where you were voting. There's also the question as to whether the footage has been preserved. It'd be interesting to see previous Sky election nights (of any kind) as their graphics have tended to be the best. Their 1992 programme apparently had an exit poll with us ahead (both in votes and seats), which is quite possibly the only general election exit poll ever to incorrectly predict the largest party (the Tories were slightly ahead in both the BBC and ITN exit polls that year). And more generally, it would be interesting to see how it looked and felt, given that it was the pre-Premiership football era. The 1992 exit poll was quoted in some places as being sponsored by Sky/The Sun/Today newspaper wasn't co sponsored by BSkyB according to Professor Michael Thrasher-just The Sun. It was done by ICM and stopped fieldwork at 4pm hence why it was so out-the share forecast was Lab 41%,Con 38%,Lib Dem 18%,Other 3%.seats-Lab 307,Con 302,Lib Dem 18,Other 24 |
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Post by swanarcadian on Jul 16, 2023 11:22:59 GMT
What a contrast between the political situation 40 years ago and now. Despite the historical significance of that election, I actually think the coverage on that show was somewhat dull - few declarations broadcast, slow counting due to the council elections held on that day. But crucially, more detailed in its analysis than we would expect in a general election show these days. I agree about it being dull. It wasn't David Dimbleby's fault, he did a fairly good job with his first time as main presenter. It's just that the studio had a very closed-in, claustrophobic feel to it; there seemed to be fewer outside broadcasts than even the 1960s shows, let alone 1970 and 1974; there were less guests in the studio, less fellow analysts with David Butler, and David Butler himself seemed very subdued compared to previous shows. The whole thing seemed to have been organised on a much smaller budget than usual. There wasn't much of an air of excitement as there has been at almost ever other BBC election show, although 1983 was also a little boring in some ways. I'd like to see ITN's 1979 programme because I suspect it was far better on that occasion, but it doesn't seem to be available anywhere, not even any short clips.I've just found a lot of clips of the ITN coverage from 1979. If you go to Getty Images, search under "The Nation Decides Election Special 1979" it brings up loads of clips. There are some differences from the BBC coverage. If you've seen this all before, my apologies. We can see: - Albert McQuarrie gaining East Aberdeenshire from Douglas Henderson - a young and attractive Anna Ford reporting from Flood Street (Mrs. Thatcher's home) and later Finchley (although she can momentarily be spotted on BBC cameras as well) - Winnie Ewing losing Moray and Nairn to Alex Pollock but giving a very dignified speech afterwards - Alistair Burnett, Martyn Lewis and Peter Snow in the studio. Shirley Williams with a huge red rosette among their guests, as well as Michael Heseltine, Peter Shore. - Harold Wilson and Ted Heath make an appearance too - Declarations from Glasgow Central, Glasgow Govan, Cheltenham, Nelson and Colne, East Surrey, Salford East and Salford West, among other places. www.gettyimages.co.uk/videos/the-nation-decides-election-special-1979?assettype=film&phrase=the%20nation%20decides%20election%20special%201979 |
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Post by swingometer on Apr 11, 2024 7:23:24 GMT
I agree about it being dull. It wasn't David Dimbleby's fault, he did a fairly good job with his first time as main presenter. It's just that the studio had a very closed-in, claustrophobic feel to it; there seemed to be fewer outside broadcasts than even the 1960s shows, let alone 1970 and 1974; there were less guests in the studio, less fellow analysts with David Butler, and David Butler himself seemed very subdued compared to previous shows. The whole thing seemed to have been organised on a much smaller budget than usual. There wasn't much of an air of excitement as there has been at almost ever other BBC election show, although 1983 was also a little boring in some ways. I'd like to see ITN's 1979 programme because I suspect it was far better on that occasion, but it doesn't seem to be available anywhere, not even any short clips.I've just found a lot of clips of the ITN coverage from 1979. If you go to Getty Images, search under "The Nation Decides Election Special 1979" it brings up loads of clips. There are some differences from the BBC coverage. If you've seen this all before, my apologies. We can see: - Albert McQuarrie gaining East Aberdeenshire from Douglas Henderson - a young and attractive Anna Ford reporting from Flood Street (Mrs. Thatcher's home) and later Finchley (although she can momentarily be spotted on BBC cameras as well) - Winnie Ewing losing Moray and Nairn to Alex Pollock but giving a very dignified speech afterwards - Alistair Burnett, Martyn Lewis and Peter Snow in the studio. Shirley Williams with a huge red rosette among their guests, as well as Michael Heseltine, Peter Shore. - Harold Wilson and Ted Heath make an appearance too - Declarations from Glasgow Central, Glasgow Govan, Cheltenham, Nelson and Colne, East Surrey, Salford East and Salford West, among other places. www.gettyimages.co.uk/videos/the-nation-decides-election-special-1979?assettype=film&phrase=the%20nation%20decides%20election%20special%201979Had I been around I’d have probably listened to Radio 4 that night, the BBC’s coverage was appalling, not due to Dimbleby or Butler but the lack of declarations. Interestingly what declarations were on the radio that ITV abd BBC TV failed to pick up. Did anyone notice that shove David Owen gave the NF candidate at Plymouth Devonport, what was all that about? |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 11, 2024 10:40:33 GMT
Come to think of it, when did TV channels begin devoting special programmes for local election nights? I imagine it would have been more difficult before 1975 when polling days were scattered over the year depending on where you were voting. Weren't they scattered even in the 1990s? ISTR a row over a Panorama interview because Scottish local elections (which were not mentioned in it) were being held that week and Northern Ireland having its locals some weeks later in 1997. Scotland didn't have local elections in 1997 - but they did hold their inaugural elections for the new unitaries in April 1995, a month before England and Wales. Northern Ireland had local elections three weeks after the 1997 GE, indeed since 1973 they had always been held in the second half of May. They came "into sync" with the rest of the UK at the following polls in 2001, before diverting again by a few weeks last year. |
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Post by ClevelandYorks on May 1, 2024 13:28:16 GMT
I know everyone’s in election mode, but I wonder if anyone could help me with a very specific query for a piece of writing.
In the BBC coverage of the 1979 general election, I seem to remember David Dimbleby quoting Callaghan as having said Thatcher “wants to pull up old traditions by the roots” or similar. I’m sure I’ve seen the same quote elsewhere, but I can’t for the life of me find it. Am I imagining it completely, or does anyone know where I can find a reference to it?
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Post by swingometer on May 1, 2024 16:30:21 GMT
I know everyone’s in election mode, but I wonder if anyone could help me with a very specific query for a piece of writing. In the BBC coverage of the 1979 general election, I seem to remember David Dimbleby quoting Callaghan as having said Thatcher “wants to pull up old traditions by the roots” or similar. I’m sure I’ve seen the same quote elsewhere, but I can’t for the life of me find it. Am I imagining it completely, or does anyone know where I can find a reference to it? Those words are ringing in my ears from somewhere as well , trying to find it for you |
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Post by ClevelandYorks on May 1, 2024 16:38:02 GMT
I know everyone’s in election mode, but I wonder if anyone could help me with a very specific query for a piece of writing. In the BBC coverage of the 1979 general election, I seem to remember David Dimbleby quoting Callaghan as having said Thatcher “wants to pull up old traditions by the roots” or similar. I’m sure I’ve seen the same quote elsewhere, but I can’t for the life of me find it. Am I imagining it completely, or does anyone know where I can find a reference to it? Those words are ringing in my ears from somewhere as well , trying to find it for you Thanks, it’s driving me up the wall. |
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