The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 15, 2019 9:20:15 GMT
Finland adds itself the the depressingly large number of countries where the liberal centre has been destroyed to the benefit of populist right and left. Hmmm, perhaps the voters are trying to tell us something? |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 15, 2019 9:36:50 GMT
Finland adds itself the the depressingly large number of countries where the liberal centre has been destroyed to the benefit of populist right and left. Hmmm, perhaps the voters are trying to tell us something? The voters are always trying to tell us something. Often several things at the same time. Especially in an election with this many parties.
The Centre party have been leading the government and so were heading for a fall. The Finns party haven't really gained much, they are where they have been for quite a while - it's just that people keep saying "oh, they'll go into retreat". But this hasn't happened.
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Apr 15, 2019 9:42:36 GMT
Finland adds itself the the depressingly large number of countries where the liberal centre has been destroyed to the benefit of populist right and left. Er, no not really. Centre led a government that got increasingly unpopular and lost a chunk of its vote. The populist right almost didn't move in its vote share at all, in fact no-one really did other then Centre. Remember, these increases of six seats etc. are on percentage increases of the maximum of three percent. Finns vote was actually down very marginally percentage-wise and Left Alliance was only up 1.1%. The reason why Centre lost so many seats is because their vote was down in every region and so they lost seats in every region. The two parties who increased their vote and seat share the most were the Green League & the Social Democrats, both middle of the road parties of those traditions. And of course the one truly Liberal party in Finland retained its number of seats and only saw its vote share go down a touch. 🙂 |
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Post by nelson on Apr 15, 2019 12:23:26 GMT
Hmmm, perhaps the voters are trying to tell us something? The voters are always trying to tell us something. Often several things at the same time. Especially in an election with this many parties.
The Centre party have been leading the government and so were heading for a fall. The Finns party haven't really gained much, they are where they have been for quite a while - it's just that people keep saying "oh, they'll go into retreat". But this hasn't happened.
A big part of their party incl. most of their top names defected and established a new moderate and respectable version, which completely flopped in this election, after the membership elected a hardliner with a "mad man" image. The current incarnation of the Finns Party is far more "far right-ish" than the 2015 version so it's quite remarkable that they gained. |
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Post by Khunanup on Apr 15, 2019 16:28:49 GMT
The voters are always trying to tell us something. Often several things at the same time. Especially in an election with this many parties.
The Centre party have been leading the government and so were heading for a fall. The Finns party haven't really gained much, they are where they have been for quite a while - it's just that people keep saying "oh, they'll go into retreat". But this hasn't happened.
A big part of their party incl. most of their top names defected and established a new moderate and respectable version, which completely flopped in this election, after the membership elected a hardliner with a "mad man" image. The current incarnation of the Finns Party is far more "far right-ish" than the 2015 version so it's quite remarkable that they gained. But much more like they were as the True Finns in 2011 when they got their highest ever percentage of the vote. The reason why the current leader was elected was because a lot of Finns members and supporters thought that the previous leadership had gone soft to go into government. Halla-aho was a throwback candidate, back to pre-2011 when Soini managed to keep them out of government which delayed the internal fallout for four years. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 15, 2019 17:56:23 GMT
The Finnish Centre is not some sort of mushy Chukist-Macronite centrist clique, or worse still the Swedish Centre. It is often considered to be a sort-of liberal party because Finland does not have a nationwide liberal outfit. The agrarian, rural character plays a huge part in its image.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 15, 2019 17:59:04 GMT
By the way, Liike Nyt is basically a vehicle for Finnish celebrity, sports magnate and entrepreneur, Harry Harkimo.
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Post by nelson on Apr 15, 2019 23:38:55 GMT
A big part of their party incl. most of their top names defected and established a new moderate and respectable version, which completely flopped in this election, after the membership elected a hardliner with a "mad man" image. The current incarnation of the Finns Party is far more "far right-ish" than the 2015 version so it's quite remarkable that they gained. But much more like they were as the True Finns in 2011 when they got their highest ever percentage of the vote. The reason why the current leader was elected was because a lot of Finns members and supporters thought that the previous leadership had gone soft to go into government. Halla-aho was a throwback candidate, back to pre-2011 when Soini managed to keep them out of government which delayed the internal fallout for four years. I think Halla-aho is more radical than the pre-2011 party. When discussing whether they had a good election result or not 2011 isn't that relevant. Government participation followed by a split makes the current situation unique. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 16, 2019 8:51:21 GMT
Halla-Aho might be the most successful Church Slavonicist academic in electoral history.
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 16, 2019 8:58:54 GMT
Halla-Aho might be the most successful Church Slavonicist academic in electoral history. "In a crowded field......." |
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Post by Antiochian on Apr 16, 2019 9:09:14 GMT
Halla-Aho might be the most successful Church Slavonicist academic in electoral history. My warped mind can only think of Van Clomp's Madonna with the Fallen Boobies...  |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 16, 2019 9:13:31 GMT
Halla-Aho might be the most successful Church Slavonicist academic in electoral history. My warped mind can only think of Van Clomp's Madonna with the Fallen Boobies... That's "Fallen Madonna with the Big Boobies".
The one you refer to is a later copy.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 16, 2019 9:17:08 GMT
My warped mind can only think of Van Clomp's Madonna with the Fallen Boobies... That's "Fallen Madonna with the Big Boobies".
The one you refer to is a later copy.
I know an Italian academic who, if her students are a bit sluggish, livens them up with what she calls "Captain Bertorelli Mode", where she becomes distinctly more flamboyantly Italian. She does also point out that this takes little effort. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 16, 2019 9:39:13 GMT
Having watched almost all of 'Allo 'Allo when it first went out, I'm now watching 'Secret Army', the original series it was a parody of. The plots are very different. (The resistance is forever having to kill people who aren't necessarily enemies, but are possibly going to blab information to the Germans that will result in them discovering the resistance activities.)
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Post by Antiochian on Apr 16, 2019 16:41:16 GMT
That's "Fallen Madonna with the Big Boobies".
The one you refer to is a later copy.
I know an Italian academic who, if her students are a bit sluggish, livens them up with what she calls "Captain Bertorelli Mode", where she becomes distinctly more flamboyantly Italian. She does also point out that this takes little effort. Captain Bertorelli of the Mandolin fame? |
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Post by Khunanup on Apr 16, 2019 17:42:28 GMT
I know an Italian academic who, if her students are a bit sluggish, livens them up with what she calls "Captain Bertorelli Mode", where she becomes distinctly more flamboyantly Italian. She does also point out that this takes little effort. Captain Bertorelli of the Mandolin fame? No, of the Nouvion fame... |
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Post by andrea on Jun 3, 2019 22:38:35 GMT
New government will be
Social Democrats: PM, Transports, Work, Sevices, Local government, International Trade & Development, European Affairs
Centre: Finance, Economy, Science and Culture, Defence, Agriculture
Greens: Home Affairs, Foreign Affairs, Environment
Left: Education, Health and Social Services
Swedish's People Party: Justice, Equality and Nordic Co-operation
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 3, 2019 22:43:31 GMT
New government will be Social Democrats: PM, Transports, Work, Sevices, Local government, International Trade & Development, European Affairs Centre: Finance, Economy, Science and Culture, Defence, Agriculture Greens: Home Affairs, Foreign Affairs, Environment Left: Education, Health and Social Services Swedish's People Party: Justice, Equality and Nordic Co-operation The first GREENS-HomeSecretary worldwide? (Luxemburg has a greenish DefenceMinister.) |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 4, 2019 6:38:02 GMT
That's a weird government. Although yet again, the Swedish People's Party will go with anyone if they preserve their ludicrous linguistic agenda.
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 4, 2019 11:26:41 GMT
That's a weird government. Although yet again, the Swedish People's Party will go with anyone if they preserve their ludicrous linguistic agenda. As a minority language fan, what's ludicrous about their linguistic agenda? Anyway, as the one true Liberal party in Finland it makes perfect sense for them to be in this government. |
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