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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 22, 2019 9:33:33 GMT
I think Newcastle had some purely local issues at play, including the Labour candidate claiming to have been honoured by the Queen when in fact he was a volunteer with an organisation that won the Queen’s Award for Voluntary Service. Mr Owen also secured the endorsement of what seems to be all the Residents groups in the Ward, some of whom have in the past been vociferously pro-Labour. The Labour candidate did what.....are you serious? Yup, check out the campaign Facebook page. He seems to have lashed out after an Indie leaflet claimed he’d never done anything in the Ward. |
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Post by hedgehog on Mar 22, 2019 10:02:31 GMT
Sounds like a book I would be interested in, however in 1971,im sure I would have just scribbled all over it. It's a map rather than a book, and easily available online - not least because it was re-printed about ten years ago.
I hope you didn't scribble in your library books too.  I don't want to incriminate myself, but I feel I might have done once or twice, a few stern looks from my infants school teachers, probably put me back on the straight and narrow though. |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 22, 2019 11:05:55 GMT
tbf Im relieved we've had 3 straight forward wins in contests that weren't straightforward. The most disappointing was Newcastle under Lyme but given the success of independents in Newcastle under Lyme and Stoke on Trent its not hugely surprising I think Newcastle had some purely local issues at play, including the Labour candidate claiming to have been honoured by the Queen when in fact he was a volunteer with an organisation that won the Queen’s Award for Voluntary Service. Mr Owen also secured the endorsement of what seems to be all the Residents groups in the Ward, some of whom have in the past been vociferously pro-Labour. FFS why do people try to pull s*** like this??  |
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 22, 2019 11:12:58 GMT
I think Newcastle had some purely local issues at play, including the Labour candidate claiming to have been honoured by the Queen when in fact he was a volunteer with an organisation that won the Queen’s Award for Voluntary Service. Mr Owen also secured the endorsement of what seems to be all the Residents groups in the Ward, some of whom have in the past been vociferously pro-Labour. FFS why do people try to pull s*** like this?? Looking through his social media he appears somewhat, shall we say, “eccentric”.... |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 22, 2019 11:20:48 GMT
Esh and Witton Gilbert, Durham LD 1115 (63.2%; +7.8) Lab 366 (20.7%; -7.0) Ind 155 (8.8%) Con 128 (7.3%; -9.6) Congratulations to the LDs on a very good hold. You put the squeeze on both majors. |
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Post by curiousliberal on Mar 22, 2019 11:23:13 GMT
Esh and Witton Gilbert, Durham LD 1115 (63.2%; +7.8) Lab 366 (20.7%; -7.0) Ind 155 (8.8%) Con 128 (7.3%; -9.6) Congratulations to the LDs on a very good hold. You put the squeeze on both majors. Thanks to that comment, I've realised the result is basically what Theresa May was trying to do. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Mar 22, 2019 11:30:01 GMT
Congratulations to the LDs on a very good hold. You put the squeeze on both majors. Thanks to that comment, I've realised the result is basically what Theresa May was trying to do. And for the unfamiliar, Witton Gilbert is pronounced with a "soft" G, so you hear "Witton Jilbert". No idea why this should be so, but it's what my County Durham-born father told me, so I'll believe it. |
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Post by seanf on Mar 22, 2019 11:47:07 GMT
No sign in those results of Labour benefitting from the Brexit woes. Although 5/6 of those areas probably voted to leave. I wonder whether areas that voted Leave will behave very differently from Remsin areas on May 2nd. tbf Im relieved we've had 3 straight forward wins in contests that weren't straightforward. The most disappointing was Newcastle under Lyme but given the success of independents in Newcastle under Lyme and Stoke on Trent its not hugely surprising The ward voted UKIP as far back as 2006, so I expect it has big Eurosceptic vote which turned out for this candidate. Labour's big win last year was probably a fluke. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 22, 2019 11:48:00 GMT
NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME Holditch and Chesterton OWEN, Kenneth John (Independent) 282 RADFORD, Peter James (Labour) 268 BARLOW, Mark Henry (UKIP) 86 WHITWORTH, Lawrence James (Conservative) 49 LOVATT, Carol (SDP) 14 That is a very weak Conservative vote in an area not that hostile! Assume it must have been a matter of candidate popularity (quality) where the right went with the candidate most likely to thwart Labour, if indeed they saw it in such terms at all? Could just have been 'Oh I quite like Ken'? |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 22, 2019 12:01:22 GMT
BASILDON Vange Aidan McGurran (Labour) 504 Yetunde Juliet Oyebola Adeshile (Conservative) 478 Lab 51.3% (+10.1) Con 48.7% (+27.2) I think that in normal times that must be regarded as a rather good result for us (and yes I do know the area from a few decades back) and in current times a very good result indeed. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 22, 2019 12:05:58 GMT
THURROCK Aveley and Uplands David Van Day (The Conservative Party) 773 Alan Field (Thurrock Independents) 551 Charles John Curtis (Labour Party) 394 Tomas Pilvelis (Liberal Democrat) 55 That is a quite excellent result. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 12:08:12 GMT
tbf Im relieved we've had 3 straight forward wins in contests that weren't straightforward. The most disappointing was Newcastle under Lyme but given the success of independents in Newcastle under Lyme and Stoke on Trent its not hugely surprising I think Newcastle had some purely local issues at play, including the Labour candidate claiming to have been honoured by the Queen when in fact he was a volunteer with an organisation that won the Queen’s Award for Voluntary Service. Mr Owen also secured the endorsement of what seems to be all the Residents groups in the Ward, some of whom have in the past been vociferously pro-Labour. thats quite impressive |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 12:09:30 GMT
Esh and Witton Gilbert, Durham LD 1115 (63.2%; +7.8) Lab 366 (20.7%; -7.0) Ind 155 (8.8%) Con 128 (7.3%; -9.6) Congratulations to the LDs on a very good hold. You put the squeeze on both majors. yes this was a difficult one to predict. The lib dems are doing better at the moment so its to be expected but 2017 was a high mark in this seat |
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 22, 2019 12:10:26 GMT
seanf I think you mean 2016, with Mark Barlow last night’s candidate. I think there may have been a personal vote at times, he’s been standing for over a decade both at local and Parliamentary level. However UKIP in ‘Castle have lost their long-time organiser, who, to give CWCID did turn them into a pretty effective campaigning outfit. carlton43 Yes I think there may have been some personal support for the winner (who only lost the seat last year), but given the Conservatives are dependant on two groups of Independents and an ad-hoc agreement with the LDs to run the council, I’m sure they would have gone all out to pad their own numbers if they felt they ever had a chance of winning the seat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 12:10:38 GMT
THURROCK Aveley and Uplands David Van Day (The Conservative Party) 773 Alan Field (Thurrock Independents) 551 Charles John Curtis (Labour Party) 394 Tomas Pilvelis (Liberal Democrat) 55 That is a quite excellent result. i thought this might happen. Tim Aker clearly had a personal vote. Tories were 2nd so seemed like the natural benefactors. Increase was largee than i expected |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 12:11:24 GMT
tbf Im relieved we've had 3 straight forward wins in contests that weren't straightforward. The most disappointing was Newcastle under Lyme but given the success of independents in Newcastle under Lyme and Stoke on Trent its not hugely surprising The ward voted UKIP as far back as 2006, so I expect it has big Eurosceptic vote which turned out for this candidate. Labour's big win last year was probably a fluke. oh interesting thanks |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 12:13:54 GMT
Lab 51.3% (+10.1) Con 48.7% (+27.2) I think that in normal times that must be regarded as a rather good result for us (and yes I do know the area from a few decades back) and in current times a very good result indeed. It does make you wonder had the events of this week not happened the Tories might have just squeaked that added 1.5% they needed. Remarkably simlar to the result in Charnwood in December but in reverse |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 22, 2019 12:19:41 GMT
The Thurrock ward isn't one where we have been competitive in recent years so it's reverted to type
As indeed has Vange. With a couple of exceptions it's a Labour ward with a small majority and in a straight fight it's not that surprising in an Essex seat that UKIP votes switch to Tory!
In current times Essex isn't likely to display significant pro-Labour swings
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 22, 2019 12:22:56 GMT
Lab 51.3% (+10.1) Con 48.7% (+27.2) I think that in normal times that must be regarded as a rather good result for us (and yes I do know the area from a few decades back) and in current times a very good result indeed. Tories have won it before (albeit at their 2008 national high point) and been reasonably near on other occasions. Not only does the absence of UKIP from a formerly strong ward (even if they never quite won it) remain officially unexplained, but it was reported that they were urging their supporters to vote Tory. So this is actually one of the arguably less surprising results yesterday, and most of our predictors thought it would be close. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 12:38:21 GMT
The Thurrock ward isn't one where we have been competitive in recent years so it's reverted to type As indeed has Vange. With a couple of exceptions it's a Labour ward with a small majority and in a straight fight it's not that surprising in an Essex seat that UKIP votes switch to Tory! In current times Essex isn't likely to display significant pro-Labour swings tbf Labour's performance in Thurrock, Basildon & Southend in recent council elections and by elections has been pretty good |
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