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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 23:52:13 GMT
Christian Klapp strikes me as the sort of person who was attracted by Blairism but should never have joined the party in the first place - even looking at his old pre-Tory tweets, there is nothing there which suggests he had even remotely left wing views. I won't criticise him because there were quite a few who did the same, and people are at liberty to change their minds or realise they are in the wrong party There is also precious little to suggest he has remotely right wing views. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 7, 2015 23:54:40 GMT
Christian Klapp strikes me as the sort of person who was attracted by Blairism but should never have joined the party in the first place - even looking at his old pre-Tory tweets, there is nothing there which suggests he had even remotely left wing views. I won't criticise him because there were quite a few who did the same, and people are at liberty to change their minds or realise they are in the wrong party There is also precious little to suggest he has remotely right wing views. Obviously you know him given that he lives in your area: but most of his current posts are more anti-Labour, or more precisely anti-Ed Miliband - just like many of the other ultra Blairites, many of whom have left the party, though not necessarily joined the Tories |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 7, 2015 23:56:07 GMT
Christian Klapp strikes me as the sort of person who was attracted by Blairism but should never have joined the party in the first place - even looking at his old pre-Tory tweets, there is nothing there which suggests he had even remotely left wing views. I won't criticise him because there were quite a few who did the same, and people are at liberty to change their minds or realise they are in the wrong party There is also precious little to suggest he has remotely right wing views. What can the two of you be suggesting?  I notice his description on Twitter is : Political consultant at Terrapin Communications. Convert. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 8, 2015 9:42:20 GMT
Fascinating to see Blairites described as 'ultras.'
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 8, 2015 10:12:04 GMT
No, some of them are correctly described thus - using a hyphen would have made that clearer  (the Labour Unhinged gang, for example) |
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Post by casualobserver on Jan 10, 2015 0:30:53 GMT
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Post by froome on Jan 10, 2015 7:07:32 GMT
Ind Single Councillor! What happens if another one gets voted on? |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 10, 2015 8:50:53 GMT
Ind Single Councillor! What happens if another one gets voted on? Good question Froome. What's the opposite of a splitter? Answers on a post.... |
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Post by Crimson King on Jan 10, 2015 18:46:43 GMT
Ind Single Councillor! What happens if another one gets voted on? Good question Froome. What's the opposite of a splitter? Answers on a post.... only a problem if he or she isn't married |
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Post by listener on Jan 11, 2015 19:45:36 GMT
Darren Billard, the Cabinet Member for Finance and Governance on North East Lincolnshire Council, has thrown away his Labour Party card in disgust at his deselection. He was deselected in October 2014. He will continue to serve as a councillor for West Marsh ward, but said it will be as an Independent. www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Grimsby-councillor-throws-away-Labour-Party-card/story-25816963-detail/story.htmlAfter the UKIP landslide in Grimsby last May, in which they won 7 seats, Labour were left with exactly half of the 42 seats - just enough for them to maintain outright control of the Council. Now Labour hold 20 seats to 10 Con, 8 UKIP, 3 Lib Dem and 1 Independent Labour. The May council elections in North East Lincolnshire and their aftermath should be interesting. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 11, 2015 21:51:36 GMT
Darren Billard, the Cabinet Member for Finance and Governance on North East Lincolnshire Council, has thrown away his Labour Party card in disgust at his deselection. He was deselected in October 2014. He will continue to serve as a councillor for West Marsh ward, but said it will be as an Independent. www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Grimsby-councillor-throws-away-Labour-Party-card/story-25816963-detail/story.htmlAfter the UKIP landslide in Grimsby last May, in which they won 7 seats, Labour were left with exactly half of the 42 seats - just enough for them to maintain outright control of the Council. Now Labour hold 20 seats to 10 Con, 8 UKIP, 3 Lib Dem and 1 Independent Labour. The May council elections in North East Lincolnshire and their aftermath should be interesting. This concerns me. If that was the reason for his deselection, then its wrong and sounds like another heavy handed regional office decision. There is a view that Labour councilllors should spend most of their time canvassing - it was that which Jake Morrison fell out about with Luciana Berger as he thought it was more beneficial to be involved in local campaigns with the community. Some MP's don't like that. Can't imagine Austin Mitchell would have been involved. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 22:33:18 GMT
Darren Billard, the Cabinet Member for Finance and Governance on North East Lincolnshire Council, has thrown away his Labour Party card in disgust at his deselection. He was deselected in October 2014. He will continue to serve as a councillor for West Marsh ward, but said it will be as an Independent. www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Grimsby-councillor-throws-away-Labour-Party-card/story-25816963-detail/story.htmlAfter the UKIP landslide in Grimsby last May, in which they won 7 seats, Labour were left with exactly half of the 42 seats - just enough for them to maintain outright control of the Council. Now Labour hold 20 seats to 10 Con, 8 UKIP, 3 Lib Dem and 1 Independent Labour. The May council elections in North East Lincolnshire and their aftermath should be interesting. This concerns me. If that was the reason for his deselection, then its wrong and sounds like another heavy handed regional office decision. There is a view that Labour councilllors should spend most of their time canvassing - it was that which Jake Morrison fell out about with Luciana Berger as he thought it was more beneficial to be involved in local campaigns with the community. Some MP's don't like that. Can't imagine Austin Mitchell would have been involved. Our local MP is in the cabinet and finds time to canvass and even deliver. A cllr owes owes work to both their constituents and to the party who got them elected. If they won't help canvass then they should get deselected. It's not an either or issue. It's both. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 11, 2015 22:38:15 GMT
TBH Joe this is a Labour party thing. Everyone does some canvassing - but some MP's and Labour groups see backbench councillors as nothing more than leaflet deliverers, and the regional structure of the party is obsessed with a particular style of voter ID. Its not one I have a lot of time for.
Clearly this councillor wasn't working in that prescribed way. It isn't like this everywhere but there have been a few councillors deselected in the last few months who could not possibly be described as second rate.
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Post by listener on Jan 11, 2015 22:57:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 23:02:29 GMT
Like so many young people in this country, his aspirations have been killed by Labour |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 11, 2015 23:49:49 GMT
Like so many young people in this country, his aspirations have been killed by Labour Yawn. He doesn't actually think so. He wanted to return to the Labour party but a bit too much water has flown under the bridge for at least the time being - but he made the decision that he wanted to do other things with his life right now and has been quite open about it, which is why he isn't defending his seat. He will vote Labour in the election. He doesn't live in Berger's seat! |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 11, 2015 23:53:19 GMT
Are you still bitter about that paperwork cock-up by Labour got you accidentally elected, doktorb?
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Post by psephos on Jan 12, 2015 0:21:38 GMT
Are you still bitter about that paperwork cock-up by Labour got you accidentally elected, doktorb? you take the numb-nuts attitude that opposition to Labour can only be caused by personal bitterness? I'm happy to oppose Labour on a larger practical basis that you are the party of sinking individuals into welfare complacency, and sinking the country into a general lazy Greece like hopelessness. Given a Labour Government in May I will continue to work hard and pay taxes, but more people will be encouraged to give up and go on the dole, and more EU citizens will be encouraged to migrate here, and I will have to pay more taxes to cover their idleness (all in the name of ordinary decent humanity, as Miliband will undoubtedly phrase it). A smaller and smaller tax base paying to hold up the utopian ideals of Islington fools indulging larger and larger numbers of layabouts. PS As for doktorb, he has no reason to be bitter. He is the one who resigned, he could have stayed on til 2014 if he wanted to. Why should he be bitter at Labour? He chose to resign! |
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Post by mythology on Jan 12, 2015 2:49:55 GMT
Are you still bitter about that paperwork cock-up by Labour got you accidentally elected, doktorb? you take the numb-nuts attitude that opposition to Labour can only be caused by personal bitterness? I'm happy to oppose Labour on a larger practical basis that you are the party of sinking individuals into welfare complacency, and sinking the country into a general lazy Greece like hopelessness. Given a Labour Government in May I will continue to work hard and pay taxes, but more people will be encouraged to give up and go on the dole, and more EU citizens will be encouraged to migrate here, and I will have to pay more taxes to cover their idleness (all in the name of ordinary decent humanity, as Miliband will undoubtedly phrase it). A smaller and smaller tax base paying to hold up the utopian ideals of Islington fools indulging larger and larger numbers of layabouts. PS As for doktorb, he has no reason to be bitter. He is the one who resigned, he could have stayed on til 2014 if he wanted to. Why should he be bitter at Labour? He chose to resign! Whilst i hate labour with a passion with their endless double standards (take us into iraq (to get wmds) yet score political points through not allowing a vote on syria the same day a schoolyard is gassed) i disagree with you scapegoating immigrants and people on the dole. I've had times employed and times on the dole these pretty much follow with how the economy is doing. If a countries policy is 'you can live here if you've got a job' then its not suprising these people will then need support when times get tough. The reason your taxes are squeezed is through politicians endless short term thinking and most recently the biggest short termism following Clinton's lead and removing the barrier banks had with playing with everyone's money. It's a bit like the cpt of the titanic blaming those on the lowest decks for weighing the ship down, the worst is not the cpt deflecting like that, it's how readily the majority of the passengers are to lap it up. |
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Post by wallington on Jan 12, 2015 7:00:38 GMT
Like so many young people in this country, his aspirations have been killed by Labour Yawn. He doesn't actually think so. He wanted to return to the Labour party but a bit too much water has flown under the bridge for at least the time being - but he made the decision that he wanted to do other things with his life right now and has been quite open about it, which is why he isn't defending his seat. He will vote Labour in the election. He doesn't live in Berger's seat! I noticed on Twitter he has been said voters in Wavertree should vote for Peter Cranie. No love lost between Morrison and Berger! |
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I notice his description on Twitter is : Political consultant at Terrapin Communications. Convert.
