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Post by mrhell on Mar 19, 2014 15:50:52 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 19, 2014 22:09:21 GMT
Clearly the SLP go from strength to strength, the revolution is on its way. Led by people who appear to run the door at the exec lounge at Romford Dogs, judging by the snap. |
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Post by marksenior on Mar 24, 2014 16:04:50 GMT
James Page , Conservative councillor and leader of the council until last month has joined the Lib Dems . Council now 19 each Con and LD , 2 UKIP and 1 Independent .
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 24, 2014 16:39:19 GMT
James Page , Conservative councillor and leader of the council until last month has joined the Lib Dems . Council now 19 each Con and LD , 2 UKIP and 1 Independent . You forgot to say which council. |
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Post by marksenior on Mar 24, 2014 16:48:48 GMT
James Page , Conservative councillor and leader of the council until last month has joined the Lib Dems . Council now 19 each Con and LD , 2 UKIP and 1 Independent . You forgot to say which council. OOPPSS so I did , it is Lewes DC |
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 25, 2014 10:29:07 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 25, 2014 17:57:53 GMT
Not the first in that town.....I think the party there was firmly social liberal |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 25, 2014 20:46:41 GMT
Not the first in that town.....I think the party there was firmly social liberal Except that Madeley isn't in the town. Do feel a bit sorry for their fellow Lib Dems who worked very hard to get them elected in the first place. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 25, 2014 22:32:26 GMT
Not the first in that town.....I think the party there was firmly social liberal Except that Madeley isn't in the town. Do feel a bit sorry for their fellow Lib Dems who worked very hard to get them elected in the first place. Yes, I think Madeley, like Loggerheads which is part of N-u-L Borough, has a Shropshire postal address so distant is it from the Town itself. It's also been a bit odd electorally as one of the defectors won the seat in a by-election following the death of what I think was Labour's first and only Madeley councillor. |
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Post by Crimson King on Mar 25, 2014 22:46:32 GMT
When are they up for election? Any re-selection issues? (given the level of contest to be LD candidates I'm expecting the answer to be no, but just asking for completeness)
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 25, 2014 22:57:12 GMT
Not the first in that town.....I think the party there was firmly social liberal Except that Madeley isn't in the town. Do feel a bit sorry for their fellow Lib Dems who worked very hard to get them elected in the first place. I should have said 'that borough', as a former LD councillor defected back in 2010 after having been a parliamentary candidate for the LD's - and is now a Labour cabinet member in N-u-L. Defection always hurts those who leave the party they support but people are entitled to change their mind - and every party experiences defection every so often |
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 25, 2014 23:51:53 GMT
When are they up for election? Any re-selection issues? (given the level of contest to be LD candidates I'm expecting the answer to be no, but just asking for completeness) I think one is up in May as he won the seat from the Tories in 2010, the other is up next year as Bill Sinnott his late Labour predecessor won the seat (again from the Tories) in 2011. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 6:29:43 GMT
The point is that in the UK one votes for the PERSON not the Party and thus a Councillor or indeed than MP can change their Party Affiliation but remain in their seat till up for re-election. There is no need for them to stand down and contest a by-election under their new colours and I always have a cynical laugh when the party they used to belong to whinges and calls upon them to do so but are delighted to welcome a defector in the other direction and do NOT make them stand down and re-contest their seat.
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Post by swindonlad on Mar 26, 2014 7:55:43 GMT
The point is that in the UK one votes for the PERSON not the Party and thus a Councillor or indeed than MP can change their Party Affiliation but remain in their seat till up for re-election. There is no need for them to stand down and contest a by-election under their new colours and I always have a cynical laugh when the party they used to belong to whinges and calls upon them to do so but are delighted to welcome a defector in the other direction and do NOT make them stand down and re-contest their seat. I totally agree with you about this double standards Except in the case of MEPs as people do vote for the party (unless they got elected as an independent in their own right), I think that they should stand down & the next person down the list should take their place |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 8:46:33 GMT
I agree with you about Euro-elections under the de Hondt Closed List System. I am not keen on it as that whilst the names of all the candidates are listed on the Ballot Paper the voter cannot pick and mix as I would often like to do but has to take Hobson's Choice as I feel this negates democracy and puts far to much power into the hands of the Political Party Apparatchiks. Also they have the same system here in France as I found on Sunday as in "communes" of over 1000 electors; such as mine, it is Closed List and only in those below that figure can the voter cross out any candidate(s) they do not support.
I can see a flaw in your suggestion under FPTP regarding Councillors and MPs who cross the floor. Take this example. A Tory Councillor defects to Labour but in the election when they got in the Lib-Dem came second in that ward NOT Labour. If that Councillor was made to resign and the seat given to the runner-up then the Tories who had been first would not get the seat back nor would the unsuccessful Labour Candidate who had been third but the Lib-Dem, NOT very Democratic. Either leave things alone, my choice, or change the Law to become that the Elector votes for The Party even under FPTP as this is often the case in reality anyway, and make it the rule that a defector has to resign their seat and either stand again under their new Party label or as an Independent, or a new candidate stands for in their place in the now vacated seat against the other parties.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Mar 26, 2014 10:16:43 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 26, 2014 12:59:28 GMT
Except that Madeley isn't in the town. Do feel a bit sorry for their fellow Lib Dems who worked very hard to get them elected in the first place. Yes, I think Madeley, like Loggerheads which is part of N-u-L Borough, has a Shropshire postal address so distant is it from the Town itself. It's also been a bit odd electorally as one of the defectors won the seat in a by-election following the death of what I think was Labour's first and only Madeley councillor. Indeed, Madeley is a fair distance from the town and Loggerheads is half way to Market Drayton! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 13:01:42 GMT
The point is that in the UK one votes for the PERSON not the Party and thus a Councillor or indeed than MP can change their Party Affiliation but remain in their seat till up for re-election. There is no need for them to stand down and contest a by-election under their new colours and I always have a cynical laugh when the party they used to belong to whinges and calls upon them to do so but are delighted to welcome a defector in the other direction and do NOT make them stand down and re-contest their seat. But de facto we don't vote for people, most of us vote for parties. I would welcome enforced by-election for a change. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 26, 2014 15:12:00 GMT
In a weird kind of way that defection restores a bit of balance to the ward, reversing the by-election loss and giving Labour the seat that their vote share in the ward merits. Which is more a comment on STV by-elections and the distorting results they can throw up than the merits of defection as such. |
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Post by marksenior on Mar 27, 2014 8:29:48 GMT
Colin Golding , Harborough DC from Conservative to Independent after criticising the personal standards of the leaders of the Conservative group . A 2nd Conservative councillor Steve Charlish resigned from the group a few weeks ago prior to his conviction of assaulting a woman .
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