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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 22:48:11 GMT
The prospect of gaining/losing Special Responsibility Allowances can do strange things to the political compass. Has anyone ever done the stats on whether there are more defections from opposition groups to administration groups, or vice versa? Per capita or absolute figures?
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jan 23, 2014 22:52:14 GMT
Has anyone ever done the stats on whether there are more defections from opposition groups to administration groups, or vice versa? Per capita or absolute figures? Either.
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Post by timokane on Jan 24, 2014 23:00:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 18:25:42 GMT
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 26, 2014 19:45:14 GMT
Your presumption is incorrect.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 19:52:06 GMT
yep just seen that
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but still for a ward colleague and a cab member to do this shows you there is not an acceptance of this by all.
Hancock should be stood down from all council duties until he is cleared or found guilty.
Just like you or I would be in our job.
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Post by marksenior on Jan 26, 2014 20:10:37 GMT
yep just seen that /photo/1 but still for a ward colleague and a cab member to do this shows you there is not an acceptance of this by all. Hancock should be stood down from all council duties until he is cleared or found guilty. Just like you or I would be in our job. Cleared or found guilty by whom - in what court - and of what charges ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 20:17:42 GMT
Gross misconduct in a public office to start with.
Like the Rennard case this has to go through the police part first then any internal procedures,. If the party suspended him then he should be suspended from council duties as well until the end of the procedures.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 26, 2014 20:23:20 GMT
Gross misconduct in a public office to start with. Like the Rennard case this has to go through the police part first then any internal procedures,. If the party suspended him then he should be suspended from council duties as well until the end of the procedures. It has gone through the "police part" Ian. Or didn't you notice?
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Post by marksenior on Jan 26, 2014 20:25:55 GMT
Gross misconduct in a public office to start with. Like the Rennard case this has to go through the police part first then any internal procedures,. If the party suspended him then he should be suspended from council duties as well until the end of the procedures. It has been through the police who found that no charges should be brought ( as with Rennard ) .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 20:27:51 GMT
has it ? is there not new evidence contained in this ? And it can go through it again.
So lets say no further police action then why have you suspended him (rightly in my view) ?
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Post by marksenior on Jan 26, 2014 20:32:06 GMT
has it ? is there not new evidence contained in this ? And it can go through it again. So lets say no further police action then why have you suspended him (rightly in my view) ? As far as I know , there is no new evidence , and in my view it is therefore wrong to have suspended him . No action was taken against Nigel Evans when accusations were made against him only when he was charged .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 20:34:41 GMT
again I apply the rules of a normal job here. If I am involved in a disciplinary enquiry at work at any of the 8 jobs I have had I would be suspended. My wife has seen colleagues suspended on full pay whilst two are investigated.
Why should a politician be any different ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 20:35:27 GMT
again I apply the rules of a normal job here. If I am involved in a disciplinary enquiry at work at any of the 8 jobs I have had I would be suspended. My wife has seen colleagues suspended on full pay whilst two are investigated. Why should a politician be any different ? Its not a normal job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 20:41:20 GMT
again I apply the rules of a normal job here. If I am involved in a disciplinary enquiry at work at any of the 8 jobs I have had I would be suspended. My wife has seen colleagues suspended on full pay whilst two are investigated. Why should a politician be any different ? Its not a normal job. The typical reply of someone who can not see the outside world. It is a normal job, MP's get paid like any of us and are subject to rules and laws like the rest of us. The LD's suspended him, so I am asking why he has not been suspended from the council as well. Same goes for Evans, same goes for anyone who is under a legal or semi legal process, they should be suspended until found not guilty or guilty.
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Post by marksenior on Jan 26, 2014 20:45:55 GMT
again I apply the rules of a normal job here. If I am involved in a disciplinary enquiry at work at any of the 8 jobs I have had I would be suspended. My wife has seen colleagues suspended on full pay whilst two are investigated. Why should a politician be any different ? Once the police had announced that they had investigated the case and no action was going to be taken then a company would have lifted any suspension .
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 26, 2014 20:48:03 GMT
Or one might say a small number are so obsessed that they go around every piece making the same boring comments.
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Post by marksenior on Jan 26, 2014 20:49:13 GMT
The typical reply of someone who can not see the outside world. It is a normal job, MP's get paid like any of us and are subject to rules and laws like the rest of us. The LD's suspended him, so I am asking why he has not been suspended from the council as well. Same goes for Evans, same goes for anyone who is under a legal or semi legal process, they should be suspended until found not guilty or guilty. If no charges are ever brought then they can never be found either not guilty nor guilty .
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 26, 2014 20:51:51 GMT
The typical reply of someone who can not see the outside world. It is a normal job, MP's get paid like any of us and are subject to rules and laws like the rest of us. The LD's suspended him, so I am asking why he has not been suspended from the council as well. Same goes for Evans, same goes for anyone who is under a legal or semi legal process, they should be suspended until found not guilty or guilty. No it isn't. Are you saying that when allegations are made against Sam Smith MP (Leek & The Roaches) he should be suspended? So who carries out duties on behalf of the good people of Leek & The Roaches while this drags on?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 21:32:15 GMT
again I apply the rules of a normal job here. If I am involved in a disciplinary enquiry at work at any of the 8 jobs I have had I would be suspended. My wife has seen colleagues suspended on full pay whilst two are investigated. Why should a politician be any different ? Once the police had announced that they had investigated the case and no action was going to be taken then a company would have lifted any suspension . If it is not a police matter ? you are presuming all gross misconduct cases at work would be police vetted, that is simply not the case.
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