General councillors and other notable defections

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Jul 14, 2013 20:27:39 GMT iainbhx said:

Jul 14, 2013 20:19:49 GMT @benjamin said:

Are you going to give us lot a go while you're at it?

What as a sort of mango to watermelon scale

Or even watermelons, mangoes and limes.

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Jul 14, 2013 20:19:49 GMT @benjamin said:

Are you going to give us lot a go while you're at it?

GreenChristian, rlemkin, Benjamin, tonyotim, JamesDoyle.

Again find it very hard to place you lot.

UKIP

Pimpernal, ..., ..., ..., ..., ..., .., carlton, ..., ..., Richard Allen, Pete Whitehead (possibly the most right-wing from any party on here, maybe arnieetc)

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So - GreenChristian is on the left of the Greens while I am on the right of Labour? I demand a recount.

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Jul 14, 2013 20:58:01 GMT CatholicLeft said:

So - GreenChristian is on the left of the Greens while I am on the right of Labour? I demand a recount.

I am sorry about your classification. I will nudge you leftwards.

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Jul 14, 2013 20:59:34 GMT joe said:

Jul 14, 2013 20:58:01 GMT CatholicLeft said:

So - GreenChristian is on the left of the Greens while I am on the right of Labour? I demand a recount.

I am sorry about your classification. I will nudge you leftwards.

May the road rise to meet you!

[Deleted]

All very interesting! And to give you (Joe) even more to think about, if you were to compile a full left-right list of all active members, how much overlap between parties do you reckon there'd be?

[erlend]

Interesting to see myself positioned. To the left but just in the interquartile range (middle half). If positioning myself in the party when I first went to a Liberal Assembly in 1985 I would probably have put myself at the other end (right) of the interquartile range, I would have regarded myself as moving to the left since then until probably about the beginning of the recession (say 2008) but have moved to a significantly more economically cautious (call it right wing if you will) position since then.

I think what separates me from most conservatives here is that I regard the cuts as regrettable and hopefully short to medium term. What would separate me from the Labour Party is that I am quite clear that the shrinking of the state is for now necessary and inevitable. The discussions I would have amount to where what and who the cuts should hit.

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Jul 14, 2013 21:04:56 GMT @benjamin said:

All very interesting! And to give you (Joe) even more to think about, if you were to compile a full left-right list of all active members, how much overlap between parties do you reckon there'd be?

SlicesofJim, Jimboo, Sibboleth, Merseymike, david boothroyd, GreenChristian, rlemkin, benjamin, pimpernal, catholicleft, john07, tonyotim, east anglian lefty, the bishop, ianrobo, JamesDoyle, Tony Greaves, ruralradical, MarkSenior,

Crimson King, HarryHayfield, trident, Erland, Mboy, Khanunup, Tricky, Stepney, Jim, cogload, Fraser, Thirdchill, DocB,

Timrollpickering, carlton, Gwin, Swanarcadian, JohnLoony, Iain, ArthurFiggis, MarkGoodair, Boogie, Armchair, joe, Richard Allen, arnietetc, Pete Whitehead

Very tough to do really but thats my best go (we have lines for the left centre and right)

[gwynthegriff]

Jul 14, 2013 18:51:01 GMT joe said:

Jul 14, 2013 14:22:27 GMT The Bishop said:

Tbf, you did give the impression of disliking the Tories far more prior to May 2010

I wonder if anybody wants to rate the Labour regulars here on the left/right spectrum?

I think its a bit harder than for the LDs, as they are more or less all pretty anti-state in social terms (maybe except Crimson King). I also find it harder to get into your minds as the thought patterns are so different. Ill give it a go.

Sibboleth, Merseymike, david boothroyd, catholicleft, john07, east anglian lefty, the bishop, ianrobo, ruralradical, trident,

To add Philip Davies, kvasir,  ABrown,

Surely whatever scale you use Ianrobo has to be off the end of it?

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Jul 14, 2013 21:25:10 GMT joe said:

Jul 14, 2013 21:04:56 GMT @benjamin said:

All very interesting! And to give you (Joe) even more to think about, if you were to compile a full left-right list of all active members, how much overlap between parties do you reckon there'd be?

SlicesofJim, Jimboo, Sibboleth, Merseymike, david boothroyd, GreenChristian, rlemkin, pimpernal, catholicleft, john07, tonyotim, east anglian lefty, the bishop, ianrobo, JamesDoyle, Tony Greaves, ruralradical, MarkSenior,

I can guess roughly where I'm meant to be... I don't particularly agree or disagree with this, but I find your perceptions fascinating.

[greenchristian]

Jul 14, 2013 20:55:09 GMT joe said:

Jul 14, 2013 20:19:49 GMT @benjamin said:

Are you going to give us lot a go while you're at it?

GreenChristian, rlemkin, Benjamin, tonyotim, JamesDoyle.

Again find it very hard to place you lot.

Out of the main parties we probably have the narrowest ideological range, which probably does make it a bit harder to rank us.

Of course, there are some issues where I'm definitely on the right wing of the Greens (abortion, euthanasia, same-sex marriage). But I'll freely admit to being a watermelon (of the Christian Socialist variety, obviously).

[Davıd Boothroyd]

You've got me wrong.

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I'd describe myself as a watermelon pretty comfortably, though I guess it depends what you're looking at -- I didn't run a particularly left-wing campaign when I was trying to get elected to Fife Council, for instance. But in other respects, I'm effectively a postanarchist -- though I'm conscious that using such terms makes me sound like even more of a middle-class ponce than I am.

I'd also admit to having a religious aspect to my politics, though not in quite the same way as greenchristian.

[Merseymike]

Jul 14, 2013 22:12:58 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

You've got me wrong.

Do you think you're to the right of me?

Mike

[Pete Whitehead]

Jul 14, 2013 21:25:10 GMT joe said:

Jul 14, 2013 21:04:56 GMT @benjamin said:

All very interesting! And to give you (Joe) even more to think about, if you were to compile a full left-right list of all active members, how much overlap between parties do you reckon there'd be?

SlicesofJim, Jimboo, Sibboleth, Merseymike, david boothroyd, GreenChristian, rlemkin, benjamin, pimpernal, catholicleft, john07, tonyotim, east anglian lefty, the bishop, ianrobo, JamesDoyle, Tony Greaves, ruralradical, MarkSenior,

Crimson King, HarryHayfield, trident, Erland, Mboy, Khanunup, Tricky, Stepney, Jim, cogload, Fraser, Thirdchill, DocB,

Timrollpickering, carlton, Gwin, Swanarcadian, JohnLoony, Iain, ArthurFiggis, MarkGoodair, Boogie, Armchair, joe, Richard Allen, arnietetc, Pete Whitehead

Very tough to do really but thats my best go (we have lines for the left centre and right)

Its an interesting exercise. I think Merseymike may be to the left of Jimboo. David Boothroyd is not all that left wing and ian is not that right wing. I think that Arthur Figgis is the most right wing of the Conservatives and may be more right wing than me on some (economic) issues. Certainly if you are palcing yourself to the right of armchair then this must be purely on an economically libertarian spectrum and in that case Arthur would be way mroe to the right

[Pete Whitehead]

Oh and Sibboleth isn't as left wing as you have him either, certainly not to the left of Mike. You're confusing tribalism and personal obnoxiousness with ideological extremism again there

[Sibboleth]

I am a moderate. You people are all nutters.

[Khunanup]

Jul 14, 2013 21:25:10 GMT joe said:

Jul 14, 2013 21:04:56 GMT @benjamin said:

All very interesting! And to give you (Joe) even more to think about, if you were to compile a full left-right list of all active members, how much overlap between parties do you reckon there'd be?

SlicesofJim, Jimboo, Sibboleth, Merseymike, david boothroyd, GreenChristian, rlemkin, benjamin, pimpernal, catholicleft, john07, tonyotim, east anglian lefty, the bishop, ianrobo, JamesDoyle, Tony Greaves, ruralradical, MarkSenior,

Crimson King, HarryHayfield, trident, Erland, Mboy, Khanunup, Tricky, Stepney, Jim, cogload, Fraser, Thirdchill, DocB,

Timrollpickering, carlton, Gwin, Swanarcadian, JohnLoony, Iain, ArthurFiggis, MarkGoodair, Boogie, Armchair, joe, Richard Allen, arnietetc, Pete Whitehead

Very tough to do really but thats my best go (we have lines for the left centre and right)

Fascinating. Not too far off with the Lib Dems on economic grounds, but I'm not sure our placing among everyone else. I'm probably closer to CK than Tricky on the economics though (but me and MBoy appear to be fellow travellers on that score so that's spot on). If you really want cat amongst pigeons, try doing the libertarian/authoritarian axis, then we'll know if you've really been paying attention...

[john07]

I think the spectrum presented was a fair attempt. I am placed between Catholic Left and East Anglian Lefty and I think that is about right. I would certainly place David Boothroyd and Shibboleth far nearer the centre. Mersey Mike is certainly the most left wing of the prominent Labour identifiers.

Many of the Labour identifiers including the Bishop fit into the centre-left of the Party. Trident is clearly representative of the (pre-Blair) Labour right. Ianrobo is always difficult to place but he comes over as mainstream Labour in terms of economic policy so maybe his classification is about right.

I tend to agree with the classification of the Conservatives with Stepney, Fraser, Thirdchill and Timroolpickering to the left and Swanarcadian and JohnLoony to the centre. Boogie could be classified as far right or far left but I would put him nearer the centre.

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Jul 14, 2013 23:30:03 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Jul 14, 2013 21:25:10 GMT joe said:

Its an interesting exercise. I think Merseymike may be to the left of Jimboo. David Boothroyd is not all that left wing and ian is not that right wing. I think that Arthur Figgis is the most right wing of the Conservatives and may be more right wing than me on some (economic) issues. Certainly if you are palcing yourself to the right of armchair then this must be purely on an economically libertarian spectrum and in that case Arthur would be way mroe to the right

Certainly put Arthur nowhere near enough to the right, and perhaps have labour too right agaisnt the greens on here. There is a bit of a labour block from Boothroyd to The Bishop who are a bit hard to separate (including a couple of the greens). Moved ianrobo to the left.

Left: SlicesofJim, Merseymike,  Jimboo, cibwr, pimpernal, GreenChristian, rlemkin,  benjamin, Sibboleth, ,

Centre Left: ianrobo, catholicleft, john07, tonyotim, david boothroyd, east anglian lefty, the bishop, JamesDoyle, Tony Greaves, ruralradical,

Centre: MarkSenior, Crimson King, trident, HarryHayfield, Mboy, Khanunup, Erland, Tricky,

Centre-Right: Stepney, Jim, cogload, carlton, Fraser, Thirdchill, DocB, Timrollpickering, Gwyn, Swanarcadian, John Loony

Right: Iain, Boogie, MarkGoodair, joe, armchair, Richard Allen, Pete Whitehead,  arnietetc, ArthurFiggis