General councillors and other notable defections

[cibwr]

I note none of the Plaid/SNP people appear on this....

[Deleted]

Jul 15, 2013 6:58:49 GMT cibwr said:

I note none of the Plaid/SNP people appear on this....

Added you, dont recall anyone else well enough to even attempt placing.

[erlend]

I would regard David B as rather more to the right in Labour. Possibly just left of EAL. On the left I would block move our three greens to the right of Pimpernel.

Fascinating though. Thank You.

[The Bishop]

Of the SNP/Plaid people, cibwr posts most frequently and is clearly of the left (if not hard left)

Amongst the rightists, AC is shurely amongst the most right wing Tories - would swap him and Richard A around on the overall list, if anything.....

(agree with Pete about Mr Figgis, as well - still fairly amazed he has "rejoined" the Tories tbh)

[Pete Whitehead]

Some of what I have been quoted as saying I did not say

[The Bishop]

Eh?

[Pete Whitehead]

Jul 15, 2013 6:50:15 GMT joe said:

Jul 14, 2013 23:30:03 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Its an interesting exercise. I think Merseymike may be to the left of Jimboo. David Boothroyd is not all that left wing and ian is not that right wing. I think that Arthur Figgis is the most right wing of the Conservatives and may be more right wing than me on some (economic) issues. Certainly if you are palcing yourself to the right of armchair then this must be purely on an economically libertarian spectrum and in that case Arthur would be way mroe to the right

Certainly put Arthur nowhere near enough to the right, and perhaps have labour too right agaisnt the greens on here. There is a bit of a labour block from Boothroyd to The Bishop who are a bit hard to separate (including a couple of the greens). Moved ianrobo to the left.

Left: SlicesofJim, Merseymike,  Jimboo, cibwr, pimpernal, GreenChristian, rlemkin,  benjamin, Sibboleth, ,

Centre Left: ianrobo, catholicleft, john07, tonyotim, david boothroyd, east anglian lefty, the bishop, JamesDoyle, Tony Greaves, ruralradical,

Centre: MarkSenior, Crimson King, trident, HarryHayfield, Mboy, Khanunup, Erland, Tricky,

Centre-Right: Stepney, Jim, cogload, carlton, Fraser, Thirdchill, DocB, Timrollpickering, Gwyn, Swanarcadian, John Loony

Right: Iain, Boogie, MarkGoodair, joe, armchair, Richard Allen, Pete Whitehead,  arnietetc, ArthurFiggis

I did not say that part which is highlighted in red

[Deleted]

Jul 15, 2013 10:22:44 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Jul 15, 2013 6:50:15 GMT joe said:

Left: SlicesofJim, Merseymike,  Jimboo, cibwr, pimpernal, GreenChristian, rlemkin,  benjamin, Sibboleth, ,

Centre Left: ianrobo, catholicleft, john07, tonyotim, david boothroyd, east anglian lefty, the bishop, JamesDoyle, Tony Greaves, ruralradical,

Centre: MarkSenior, Crimson King, trident, HarryHayfield, Mboy, Khanunup, Erland, Tricky,

Centre-Right: Stepney, Jim, cogload, carlton, Fraser, Thirdchill, DocB, Timrollpickering, Gwyn, Swanarcadian, John Loony

Right: Iain, Boogie, MarkGoodair, joe, armchair, Richard Allen, Pete Whitehead,  arnietetc, ArthurFiggis

I did not say that part which is highlighted in red

Apologies moved it outside your quote.

[thirdchill]

Jul 15, 2013 6:50:15 GMT joe said:

Jul 14, 2013 23:30:03 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Its an interesting exercise. I think Merseymike may be to the left of Jimboo. David Boothroyd is not all that left wing and ian is not that right wing. I think that Arthur Figgis is the most right wing of the Conservatives and may be more right wing than me on some (economic) issues. Certainly if you are palcing yourself to the right of armchair then this must be purely on an economically libertarian spectrum and in that case Arthur would be way mroe to the right

Certainly put Arthur nowhere near enough to the right, and perhaps have labour too right agaisnt the greens on here. There is a bit of a labour block from Boothroyd to The Bishop who are a bit hard to separate (including a couple of the greens). Moved ianrobo to the left.

Left: SlicesofJim, Merseymike,  Jimboo, cibwr, pimpernal, GreenChristian, rlemkin,  benjamin, Sibboleth, ,

Centre Left: ianrobo, catholicleft, john07, tonyotim, david boothroyd, east anglian lefty, the bishop, JamesDoyle, Tony Greaves, ruralradical,

Centre: MarkSenior, Crimson King, trident, HarryHayfield, Mboy, Khanunup, Erland, Tricky,

Centre-Right: Stepney, Jim, cogload, carlton, Fraser, Thirdchill, DocB, Timrollpickering, Gwyn, Swanarcadian, John Loony

Right: Iain, Boogie, MarkGoodair, joe, armchair, Richard Allen, Pete Whitehead,  arnietetc, ArthurFiggis

Yep I'd agree with my position. As a constant critic of ConHome and an ex-lib dem supporter, that puts me to the left of the conservative supporters on here.

Cheers for the list Joe. The Conservatives on here are qutie easy to place, but I would not have a clue about where to place the labour supporters, especially as most of them are very critical of the coalition and generally supportive of Ed Milliband and are not blairites.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Meanwhile:

Three Havering Conservatives have defected to UKIP this morning. Part of the fall-out over the mass deselections. The three are Sandra Binion (Havering Park ward), Fred Osborne (Brooklands ward) and Ted Eden (Pettits ward).

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/three-more-tories-defecting-to-ukip-8709431.html

[thirdchill]

The amount of acrimony that is happening with both the conservatives and labour in london over deselections prior to 2014 perhaps shows why the all-outs system does not benefit either party.

With the thirds system, you get the odd deselection here and there but nothing that causes arguments like those that are going on in certain london boroughs for both parties.

[Deleted]

Would it be erasonable to assume that the level of councillors' allowances in London councils plays some part in this? In Worthing, where a basic allowance is about £4.5k, it's not much to get worked up about - if it's into 5 figures, though, I can imagine that after four years, staying on in any form might appear preferable to losing that.

[tim13]

James - What you are saying is that for County or Unitary Councillors, allowances are something people can become dependent on,
whereas for District Councillors they are not.

[tim13]

A more important question, given the degree of overlap between those defecting from Tories, and to UKIP,
is whether there really is any overall difference between the views of the councillors concerned. Is it really one party?

[mrhell]

I don't really comment about policy (might have done a bit on the old forum). In the 2006 tax debate at the Lib Dem autumn conference I voted for a 40% top rate rather than 50%. Perhaps that puts me economically into the right of the centre grouping (but not in the left of the centre-right grouping!).

[anthony]

Jul 14, 2013 21:25:10 GMT joe said:

SlicesofJim, Jimboo, Sibboleth, Merseymike, david boothroyd, GreenChristian, rlemkin, benjamin, pimpernal, catholicleft, john07, tonyotim, east anglian lefty, the bishop, ianrobo, JamesDoyle, Tony Greaves, ruralradical, MarkSenior,

Crimson King, HarryHayfield, trident, Erland, Mboy, Khanunup, Tricky, Stepney, Jim, cogload, Fraser, Thirdchill, DocB,

Timrollpickering, carlton, Gwin, Swanarcadian, JohnLoony, Iain, ArthurFiggis, MarkGoodair, Boogie, Armchair, joe, Richard Allen, arnietetc, Pete Whitehead

Very tough to do really but thats my best go (we have lines for the left centre and right)

Ach. I obviously don't post enough to be considered active , but I would put myself towards the centre left of the Crimson King line.

[East Anglian Lefty]

I would definitely place myself to David Boothroyd's left. In most political discussions here, I tend to agree almost word-for-word with Sibboleth's position. If I had to define my position on the spectrum, it would be as the cynical end of the soft left.

[The Bishop]

You could also add strinity to the Labour "soft leftists". And kvasir (maybe slightly more right wing?)

[tim13]

I hate the old Lib Dem mantra "Not left, not right, but forward", and generally regard it as a wriggle designed
to fail to define oneself in case one loses votes! However, set out in this way, I think it is extraordinarily
difficult to define every poster along a single continuum!

[Merseymike]

It's interesting how people see you. I must be more left wing than I realise.