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Post by Merseymike on Jul 13, 2013 15:10:03 GMT
It may be a dissapointment to you that many of us don't spend to much time worrying about our identity in terms of other parties That doesn't sound all that sensible for a party openly advocating PR and thus coalition government - where relationships between potential coalition partners are important |
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Post by erlend on Jul 13, 2013 15:12:00 GMT
More important however and in your position in Labour you surely agree is to actually have worked out what oneself stands for. Then work out what one can work with others on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 17:38:25 GMT
Lib-Dems on here left to right:
MarkSenior, Crimson King, Erland, Mboy, Khanunup, Tricky, Jim, Gwin, Iain, ..., ..., DocB ?
Apologies if I have forgotten anyone, theres some I wasnt that sure about (anthony, markgoodair, mrhell, woolly)
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Post by iainbhx on Jul 13, 2013 17:46:05 GMT
Actually I think Richard is a loss which I suppose shows a divide from Iain. I have also known him for over 20 years so don't regard him as a Jonny come lately. No, he's certainly not a Johnny-come-lately, but frankly he's been off the ranch since well before the coalition, I'm surprised he's lasted this long. As I said, I don't actually have any rancour about people leaving, but I'm not shedding any tears. I'm sure that if I leave, quiet a few people won't shed any tears either. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 13, 2013 17:50:25 GMT
I'm a Lib Dem too, who supports economic liberalism. I never read the Orange Book, but I am satisfied with most of what we have achieved in coalition.
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Post by iainbhx on Jul 13, 2013 17:53:14 GMT
Lib-Dems on here left to right: MarkSenior, Crimson King, Erland, Mboy, Khanunup, Tricky, Jim, Gwin, Iain, ..., ..., DocB ? Apologies if I have forgotten anyone, theres some I wasnt that sure about (anthony, markgoodair, mrhell, woolly) Oh boy are you going to get it  Dok isn't particularly right wing, he's just fairly tribal, from what I know of his positions I'd say he was firmly in the centre ground of the party. We all have a basic liberalism in common, as Dok posted a few days ago, there are a set of positions which we have general agreement on. For instance, I am not the last of the Manchester Free-Trade Liberals, despite what former Cllr Professor Wilkes would have you believe. I'm probably well to the left of party on issues like social housing and public transport. However, I have been fiscally conservative for much longer than the coalition and I probably share with quite a lot of the libertarian right a quiet distaste for the levels of state activity in peoples lives. Compulsory school dinners, FFS. |
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Post by Crimson King on Jul 13, 2013 18:16:32 GMT
I otoh can't understand why children are allowed out of schools at lunchtime to make crap choices with respect to food and tobacco (and don't lets go down the litter and nuisance road) - I never was
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 19:20:33 GMT
I otoh can't understand why children are allowed out of schools at lunchtime to make crap choices with respect to food and tobacco (and don't lets go down the litter and nuisance road) - I never was Maybe I put you too far to the left  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 13, 2013 20:33:58 GMT
On the contrary you didn't put him far emough on the left. Nothing liberal about CK and his nannying, but I always assumed it was just the usual 'Dr knows best' attitude like we get from that fucking awful Sarah Woolaston. Turns out he's bitter because he was forced to stay in school at lunchtime and eat awful school meals and wasn;t even able to smoke, so he'll be damned if anyone else should have any fun. I wasn't 'allowed' out of school at lunchtime actually - I was forced out due to industrial action during much of my time at secondary school. It was only a problem on a monday when the chippie was closed and one had to walk into the twon centre to get something. Crap choices regarding tobacco were mostly the consequence of the limited income school boys generally have, and Red Band really wasn't that bad for the price
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 13, 2013 21:16:57 GMT
Linda is nice and dippy. As someone who doesn't agree often. . I once used up my 33 preferences in an internal party election to have the satisfaction of writing '33' against Linda Jack's name. She upset me by urging people not to come to help in Crewe & Nantwich because of a leaflet she didn't like. She hadn't seen it, but someone she knew didn't like it. And that was good enough for her. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 13, 2013 21:21:31 GMT
Actually I think Richard is a loss which I suppose shows a divide from Iain. I have also known him for over 20 years so don't regard him as a Jonny come lately. No, he's certainly not a Johnny-come-lately, but frankly he's been off the ranch since well before the coalition, I'm surprised he's lasted this long. As I said, I don't actually have any rancour about people leaving, but I'm not shedding any tears. I'm sure that if I leave, quiet a few people won't shed any tears either. Don't leave Iain - there'd then be nobody between me and Dok on Joe's scale! (assuming I'm Joe's 'Gwin - Welsh speakers will know the meaning of gwin, highly inappropriate for an abstainer) |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 13, 2013 21:42:16 GMT
Mark Goodair is the most right-wing LD here. Doktorb is not on the right he is just tribal - same as Mark Senior. I think you are clearly one of the more right-wing LDs here and that is to your credit. you should embrace it. Joe's scale missed out Tony Greaves who is way out on the loony left
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Post by Crimson King on Jul 13, 2013 23:00:58 GMT
On the contrary you didn't put him far emough on the left. Nothing liberal about CK and his nannying, but I always assumed it was just the usual 'Dr knows best' attitude like we get from that fucking awful Sarah Woolaston. Turns out he's bitter because he was forced to stay in school at lunchtime and eat awful school meals and wasn;t even able to smoke, so he'll be damned if anyone else should have any fun. I wasn't 'allowed' out of school at lunchtime actually - I was forced out due to industrial action during much of my time at secondary school. It was only a problem on a monday when the chippie was closed and one had to walk into the twon centre to get something. Crap choices regarding tobacco were mostly the consequence of the limited income school boys generally have, and Red Band really wasn't that bad for the price and I love you too  but to be serious. At what age do you belive children should have the freedom to make whatever choices they wish, irrespective of the harm they may be doing to themselves? edit: and I really liked my school dinners which were on the whole very good |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 13, 2013 23:24:26 GMT
IN terms of what they eat at lunchtime I should say that at age 11 when they start at secondary school is as good a time as any, just as this will often be the time when people might start to travel to school independently. Its part of the process of growing up. i don't think I had much choice about what I ate when at primary school even in the event I took a packed lunch (which I gather some of the nannying fraternity now wish to ban). This changed when I went to secondary school - even at the school canteen there was a choice. If you want to widen the discussion out into other harmful activisties, obviously there are a number of things which it is illegal to engage in or consume under the age of 16 or 18 and on the whole I don't disagree with these prohibitions except maybe in some of the details (for example I gather they have increased the smoking age from 16 to 18 which seems unnecessary and unreasonable, but presumably everyone ignores it anyway)
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Post by Crimson King on Jul 13, 2013 23:45:08 GMT
In the context of this thread, it is interesting that he attitudes that you feel put me on the left are the same ones that Joe feels place me on the right, which perhaps illustrates how daft such simplistic assesments are.
On the specifics, it would appear that we agree that there are some things that we feel it is reasonable to withold from children, we only disagree on what and at what age, which is in the end a matter of degree, rather than principle
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Post by johnloony on Jul 14, 2013 1:30:55 GMT
I once used up my 33 preferences in an internal party election to have the satisfaction of writing '33' against Linda Jack's name. In Electoral Reform Society elections, I usually list all candidates in order of preference anyway. Even if I don't, I make a point of putting "666" next to Michael Meadowcroft. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 11:59:37 GMT
In the context of this thread, it is interesting that he attitudes that you feel put me on the left are the same ones that Joe feels place me on the right, which perhaps illustrates how daft such simplistic assesments are. On the specifics, it would appear that we agree that there are some things that we feel it is reasonable to withold from children, we only disagree on what and at what age, which is in the end a matter of degree, rather than principle Well its really of course neither, and I was rather jesting, I presumed you were all socially liberal and did on the basis of how economically sound you are. I think it is merely illberal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 12:01:31 GMT
Altered to allow for Docs tribalism and the addition of TonyGreaves, cogload, HarryHayfield, and MarkGoodair
Tony Greaves, MarkSenior, Crimson King, HarryHayfield, Erland, Mboy, Khanunup, Tricky, Jim, cogload, DocB, Gwin, Iain, MarkGoodair,
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 14, 2013 12:03:38 GMT
There is also cogload - to the right of the LibDem spectrum, it is fair to say? Not forgetting Harry Hayfield (centrist?) either.....
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Post by marksenior on Jul 14, 2013 12:43:48 GMT
I should be exactly in the centre , I hate Conservatives and Labour equally . As I originally joined the Lib Dems in 1965 and supported them from the Blackpool North by election in 1962 most people are johnny come latelies
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