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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 16:58:07 GMT
People who should never have been in a liberal party in the first place.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 9, 2013 17:36:37 GMT
People who should never have been in a liberal party in the first place. I think he was of a Social Democrat lineage. Certainly his explanation of his departure suggests that few from a liberal tradition would make the same argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 17:41:02 GMT
The length of membership he quotes indicates he joined after the creation of the Liberal Democrats, so he was never in a purely 'liberal' party. And if the LibDems as a whole were a purely liberal party, I suggest he'd never have risen to the positions he did.
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 9, 2013 18:31:16 GMT
A leading light of the bizarre 'Liberal Left'. No real loss to the party. |
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Post by mrhell on Jul 11, 2013 23:32:54 GMT
The length of membership he quotes indicates he joined after the creation of the Liberal Democrats, so he was never in a purely 'liberal' party. And if the LibDems as a whole were a purely liberal party, I suggest he'd never have risen to the positions he did. I was thinking that he's been in the party for so long. I then realised it was only four years longer than I've been a member! Anyway, I was going to post this story myself (I didn't know about it until today). I remember hearing him speak at a fringe meeting at the September 2010 Liberal Democrat conference. He said we could have reached an agreement with Labour Party in May 2010. After that comment I found it hard to take him seriously. This leaves "Left Liberals" with Linda Jack as chair (who everyone seems to like even when they don't agree with her), Ron Beadle (who I think is badly wrong but is a personal friend) and a group of people almost all of whom I've never heard of. That excludes Jenny Tonge who I wouldn't advertise as a member given the way she's gone. |
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Post by erlend on Jul 12, 2013 11:14:31 GMT
Linda is nice and dippy. As someone who doesn't agree often.
Looking at their website it does include Stephen Knight who is half of our GLA group. And a number of others I know have been around for a while. Possibly Simon Hebditch as a Liberator person would come next internally for recognition.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 12, 2013 18:26:07 GMT
They would be welcome to join us on the left wing of the Labour party!
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 12, 2013 18:32:11 GMT
A leading light of the bizarre 'Liberal Left'. No real loss to the party. Why are they bizarre? Don't you think they are part of your Liberal family? |
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Post by tim13 on Jul 12, 2013 19:21:15 GMT
Sorry for existing, mrhell and khunanup - I am aligned with Liberal Left. Hardly "bizarre", just holding
on to traditional values.
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 12, 2013 20:07:15 GMT
Strangely enough, Khunanup has always come across as one of the leftier LibDems on here......
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Post by john07 on Jul 12, 2013 23:15:09 GMT
Strangely enough, Khunanup has always come across as one of the leftier LibDems on here...... In comparison with Dokb and most of the Lib Dems on here it is hardly difficult. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 23:28:30 GMT
Strangely enough, Khunanup has always come across as one of the leftier LibDems on here...... In comparison with Dokb and most of the Lib Dems on here it is hardly difficult. Yeah.. the LDs here are odd. OR perhaps it's the Scottish LDs I know that are the exceptions? |
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Post by Crimson King on Jul 12, 2013 23:50:32 GMT
it's a bit more complicated than that
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 13, 2013 0:23:29 GMT
In comparison with Dokb and most of the Lib Dems on here it is hardly difficult. Yeah.. the LDs here are odd. OR perhaps it's the Scottish LDs I know that are the exceptions? The ones here are right-leaning Orange Bookers . Given the coalition probably the majority now within the LD's. |
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Post by erlend on Jul 13, 2013 9:27:19 GMT
Strangely enough, Khunanup has always come across as one of the leftier LibDems on here...... In comparison with Dokb and most of the Lib Dems on here it is hardly difficult. Of those of us who contribute more I am sure that Iain would be happy to be disassociated from Liberal Left(ies). Crimson on the other hand does not seem to come across as terribly right wing. Others are more tribal (to use an Ashdownism) than left/right. I would probably put Mark and even Doc in there. And I am interested where you would put me. Logically if we are all that right wing I as the most verbose poster am probably there. And I did vote on the Federal Executive for the coalition and despite pain from time to time do not think I was wrong. But I don't think I come across as a ConDem ideologue. But would some power the giftie gie me to see myself as others see me. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 13, 2013 10:03:38 GMT
I suppose I tend to think of LibDems in terms of how they relate to coalition. Would they prefer one with us? Can they support this one? Do they see themselves clearly left of centre? Do they hold classical or neoliberal economic beliefs rather than Keynesian?
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Jul 13, 2013 10:13:55 GMT
It may be a dissapointment to you that many of us don't spend to much time worrying about our identity in terms of other parties
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Post by iainbhx on Jul 13, 2013 10:33:51 GMT
I appreciate that the Liberal Left has a long and historic tradition (as do we evil right wingers) and they are still liberals. It's the left of Labour lot we attracted in the naughties and who have now all fled I could never stand. I'm not shedding any tears for Grayson, but I would for Linda Jack.
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Post by erlend on Jul 13, 2013 15:05:26 GMT
Actually I think Richard is a loss which I suppose shows a divide from Iain. I have also known him for over 20 years so don't regard him as a Jonny come lately.
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Post by erlend on Jul 13, 2013 15:07:21 GMT
As for coalittion if Labour had held another 20-30 seats from the Tories I would probably have preferred that coalition. God knows who would have been PM as Brown was soiled goods. I suspect David Milliband.
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