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Post by Merseymike on Jun 25, 2013 11:21:15 GMT
I think if we used terms like Paki Princess we would rightly be dressed down even if their big issue was Kashmir. Quid pro quo. Fair enough, but she has traded on those connections. I would never vote for selection of anyone in Labour Friends of Israel on principle, but that's my personal politics showing. |
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Post by erlend on Jun 25, 2013 11:25:05 GMT
I'm not a great fan of single issue politicians even where I agree with the issue and In the case of Lib Dem friends of Israel I don't.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 25, 2013 11:51:02 GMT
Lib Dem friends of Israel Isn't that a contradiction in terms? |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 25, 2013 11:55:03 GMT
There is indeed such an organisation in existence (supported by some of their parliamentarians) so it would seem not. Don't think that Jenny Tonge is a member, though  |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 25, 2013 12:00:40 GMT
There is indeed such an organisation in existence (supported by some of their parliamentarians) so it would seem not. Don't think that Jenny Tonge is a member, though Jenny Tonge is fab! I want more independent minded people in politics with a bit of passion - there are less with every parliament. But its virtually impossible to tell the truth about Israel or even express an anti-Zionist view without being accused of anti-semitism, as she fond. What she said was absolutely right |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 25, 2013 12:11:16 GMT
I am not pro-Israel myself on balance - but anybody who repeats anti-Semitic tropes about "harvesting organs" and the like is not someone I want as an ally, tbh. (I use the term "anti-Semitic" carefully and deliberately, btw - I completely agree its indiscriminate use by Likudists to cover all criticism of Israel is disgraceful) As for being "passionate" - well, G Galloway is that. He is also a worthless, divisive demagogue. You could say the same about some UKIPpers and similar  I think things are slowly changing for the better on that point, anyway. I know you strongly disagree in at least one instance (  ) but the 2010 Labour intake is generally very good and less obsessed with being robotically "on message" and many of those being selected for 2015 seem in the same mould. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Jun 25, 2013 12:14:50 GMT
I am not pro-Israel myself on balance - but anybody who repeats anti-Semitic tropes about "harvesting organs" and the like is not someone I want as an ally, tbh. (I use the term "anti-Semitic" carefully and deliberately, btw - I completely agree its indiscriminate use by Likudists to cover all criticism of Israel is disgraceful) As for being "passionate" - well, G Galloway is that. He is also a worthless, divisive demagogue. You could say the same about some UKIPpers and similar I think things are slowly changing for the better on that point, anyway. I know you strongly disagree in at least one instance ( ) but the 2010 Labour intake is generally very good and less obsessed with being robotically "on message" and many of those being selected for 2015 seem in the same mould. I was going to click like, but that only applies to the first three lines, where I completely agree with you. I'm possibly not in the best position to judge the new Labour intake, so reserve judgment there. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 25, 2013 12:26:11 GMT
I don't think Jewish Princess is offensive. The equivalent would be Asian princess which is equally inoffensive. I don't think either term would bear much relation to their respective views on the Middle East or Kashmir, rather the absence of views on anything of much importance
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Post by jdc on Jun 25, 2013 12:31:39 GMT
And yet so many seem to manage it with such tedious regularity. Thinking today in particular of a friend who is passionately opposed to pretty much everything Israel ever does, but manages without any feelings of guilt at all to take an annual holiday in Indonesia - a country whose perpetration of a genocide appears to me to be an unarguable fact, as opposed to the complex and many-layered conflict in the middle east. I'd also submit that what Tonge said probably wasn't "absolutely right", and that it is in fact rather unlikely that the IDF are harvesting organs in the third world under the guise of humanitarian relief efforts. |
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Post by jdc on Jun 25, 2013 12:34:15 GMT
Not sure why the quoted text won't quote. It disappears however many times I edit it back in.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 25, 2013 13:36:01 GMT
And yet so many seem to manage it with such tedious regularity. Thinking today in particular of a friend who is passionately opposed to pretty much everything Israel ever does, but manages without any feelings of guilt at all to take an annual holiday in Indonesia - a country whose perpetration of a genocide appears to me to be an unarguable fact, as opposed to the complex and many-layered conflict in the middle east. I'd also submit that what Tonge said probably wasn't "absolutely right", and that it is in fact rather unlikely that the IDF are harvesting organs in the third world under the guise of humanitarian relief efforts. Amazing how Zionist sympathisers always change the subject to something utterly irrelevant. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 25, 2013 13:38:36 GMT
I think things are slowly changing for the better on that point, anyway. I know you strongly disagree in at least one instance ( ) but the 2010 Labour intake is generally very good and less obsessed with being robotically "on message" and many of those being selected for 2015 seem in the same mould. Its not bad. There are some weak points, and too many of them are given too much space because they are supposedly photogenic, but there are some very impressive additions, certainly. I think the shortening of the campaign period for Labour selections has made it much harder for Progress to place someone in the constituency for months on end and has meant a much better selection of candidates being selected recently |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 15:37:55 GMT
Lord Storey, LibDem former Liverpool City Council Leader, wants the LibDems to stand aside in his favour Er, what makes him think that thousands of potential Lib Dem supporters might be prepared to vote for a petulant little nincompoop like him anyway? We wont |
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Post by erlend on Jun 25, 2013 16:36:19 GMT
I think it unlikely that we would. If our members in Liverpool wanted such I suppose we might consider it but that seems unlikely whatever Mike Storey suggests. And from the sounds of it the kid would not want to be seen a a substitute for the Lib Dems anyway. I also have a feeling that he doesn't really know what it would involve financially to put up a credible fight against Berger. A good few Grand for a limited campaign and more if he intended to fight it for the next 2 years. And he may have an idea what the amount of paper needing delivered in a ward is but friends and family won't do that across the whole of Wavertree.
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Post by Crimson King on Jun 25, 2013 17:31:47 GMT
I think if we used terms like Paki Princess we would rightly be dressed down even if their big issue was Kashmir. Quid pro quo. The term *paki* is offensive, the term jewish is not. Its not terribly polite or PC but its not as bad as the phrase you used. Still probably shouldn't have said it, but I don't have any isreal/palestine axe to grind or anything like that. Obviously her bad qualities don't arise from her ethnic background. which is the point, and raises the question, why allude to it then. If I was in a similar situation I would be surprised if anyone talked about 'hatred of Lib Dems and that General Practitioner'. |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 26, 2013 1:29:59 GMT
]Hatred of labour, especially of that Jewish princess. I must be missing something, because I have no idea what the term "Jewish princess" is supposed to mean or be referring to. It sounds as if it might be supposed to be some sort of insult, but perhaps it's a euphemism that I'm unfamiliar with. |
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Post by Crimson King on Jun 26, 2013 6:56:37 GMT
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Post by tricky on Jun 26, 2013 12:01:15 GMT
Lord Storey, LibDem former Liverpool City Council Leader, wants the LibDems to stand aside in his favour Er, what makes him think that thousands of potential Lib Dem supporters might be prepared to vote for a petulant little nincompoop like him anyway? Fortunately it is not Lord Storey's decision. |
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Post by erlend on Jun 26, 2013 19:09:50 GMT
Which is why it is much easier when they come from Islington. Anto Islington slurs seem to be cross party popular here!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 20:53:41 GMT
When I finished college (in the mid80s!) I spent a summer working at a summer camp in upstate New York. It was a Jewish camp, mainly for children of rich families from New York City. The camp motto, over the gate, was 'haven of health and happiness', but this was adapted by the kids to 'haven of wealth and jappiness'. I had to have 'jappiness' (from Jewish American Princess) explained to me, but it was pretty clear to me even then that it would be pretty offensive if used by anyone from outside the community.
My Jewish mealtime prayers are still pretty good.
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