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Post by Merseymike on Sept 27, 2015 10:21:25 GMT
Just shows how run down some Labour parties became - and why there has been such a huge backlash. If you had any idea of what you are talking about -people like them deliberately blocked activity and party membership declined because of their views. Good riddance The Branch system is fecked, has been for a long time. It's totally reliant on having an active branch secretary who does the job properly. |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 27, 2015 10:29:12 GMT
However, Frank Judd, who was MP for two Portsmouth divisions, and an early expert on international development, was on the left of the party.
Compared to other cities outside the Met areas the results for Labour have been atrocious and if the brothers were in charge clearly something wasn't working.
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 27, 2015 16:33:42 GMT
What legal obligations the government has depends on the law. There are laws saying that the government must do many things to support disabled people. There is a general principle that the government must carry out its functions fairly and reasonably. The obligations of the government are not put on by "themselves" but by parliament on behalf of the people, and by the tenets of common law and the legal system in general.
So if the government fail to carry out these obligations and as a result people die, it is not stretching things too far to say that the government is "killing people".
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 27, 2015 16:35:00 GMT
Frank Judd is still around though physically frailer than he was, and is a good friend of mine.
Tony
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Post by neilm on Sept 28, 2015 23:17:18 GMT
I believe Labour Region were approached by members of the local party last year to intervene when the council group voted for the Tory minority to run the city. Region did nothing then and presumably will do nothing now unless there are viable reasons to do so. If that's not a viable reason sounds like nothing will be. Good riddance to them. Breathtakingly right wing from what I have read. Probably on their way to the Tories If you think these two are breathtakingly right wing, you'd not want to be in a room with me- you'd asphyxiate within seconds! |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 28, 2015 23:32:38 GMT
If that's not a viable reason sounds like nothing will be. Good riddance to them. Breathtakingly right wing from what I have read. Probably on their way to the Tories If you think these two are breathtakingly right wing, you'd not want to be in a room with me- you'd asphyxiate within seconds! But you are a Tory so that's fair enough. These two are Labour. Or were. |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 29, 2015 17:23:41 GMT
If that's not a viable reason sounds like nothing will be. Good riddance to them. Breathtakingly right wing from what I have read. Probably on their way to the Tories Ah, the Cybertrot battle cry of "Why don't you just f**k off and join the Tories" (albeit delivered in a Home Counties accent and without any expletives). I know both of those guys on social media - they seem like sensible, mainstream Labour people on the right of the party, and hard working campaigners. I can entirely understand why Ken Ferrett feels the way he does, and many elected members feel exactly the same way. I suspect that only a small minority of Councillors voted for the current leadership. Also, it sounds like the local CLPs contain some real troublemakers. However, I think his decision is the wrong one - the party needs Labour moderates more than it ever has done, even if it doesn't realise it at the moment. Mainstream circa 1997-98, perhaps - but clearly not 'mainstream Labour' today as he has decided he does not wish to stay in the party. That's fine - I have left myself in the past when I strongly disagreed with something - but its clear enough to me that the bulk of the party is supporting Jeremy, and the 4.5% are sounding more sour and isolated by the day. Do you agree with his decision to back the Tories running Portsmouth Council? I don't think there is ever a justification to back the Tories, anywhere, ever! |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 29, 2015 17:35:23 GMT
They've done a pretty shit job from the looks of it then. The local Lib Dems may be decent campaigners, but Labour's performance in Portsmouth has still been deeply unimpressive for years. Is that the local party's fault though? The LibDems had (until the Hancock disaster) a strong brand locally, and I can't imagine that having an intellectual Hampstead liberal as Labour leader would have been helpful to us in a naval city like Portsmouth. And God only knows what the voters will make of the current incumbent.... They had a strong brand locally, but that's the case everywhere the Lib Dems are entrenched and in most other places we still made big gains - even in cities with a strong military presence. And even when the Lib Dem brand did start to take a kicking locally*, it's notable we were not the beneficiaries, even in natural Labour wards. I don't think you can blame everything on the Ferretts, but I do think their record is nothing to boast about whatsoever. *And given that Hancock had been a laughing stock in the rest of the country for at least two years previously, it's at least arguable that the other parties besides the LDs ought to have been tearing him down in Portsmouth. |
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Post by john07 on Sept 29, 2015 22:56:30 GMT
Around 35 years ago, a friend of mine from Coventry was appointed full time Agent for Portsmouth Labour Party. We were invited to visit just before Christmas and attended the Portsmouth Labour Party Christmas Party. It looked a very healthy organisation back then with Frank Judd as MP, a sizeable presence on the City Council and able to employ a full-time agent.
One of the people I was introduced to was Mike Hancock!
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 30, 2015 0:15:07 GMT
Is that the local party's fault though? The LibDems had (until the Hancock disaster) a strong brand locally, and I can't imagine that having an intellectual Hampstead liberal as Labour leader would have been helpful to us in a naval city like Portsmouth. And God only knows what the voters will make of the current incumbent.... They had a strong brand locally, but that's the case everywhere the Lib Dems are entrenched and in most other places we still made big gains - even in cities with a strong military presence. And even when the Lib Dem brand did start to take a kicking locally*, it's notable we were not the beneficiaries, even in natural Labour wards. I don't think you can blame everything on the Ferretts, but I do think their record is nothing to boast about whatsoever. *And given that Hancock had been a laughing stock in the rest of the country for at least two years previously, it's at least arguable that the other parties besides the LDs ought to have been tearing him down in Portsmouth. The one think that is slightly being missed in the Labour performance in Portsmouth over the last few years is that their failure has been most glaring against the Tories not against us. Out of the 'Lib Dem wards' in the city only three could in any way be said to be even vaguely 'naturally' Labour (Charles Dickens, Fratton and Central Southsea) whereas they have failed to really challenge the Tories in three wards where they held councillors until (in two cases) 2004 and in one case 2000 (Hilsea, Cosham and Copnor). The last time any of those wards elected Labour councillors is 2002 and the closest they got in any of them was in Hilsea and Cosham (notoriously behind us) in 2012 when they came a close second place with them falling back since then. Then of course this year there was the disaster where Labour won no seats in Portsmouth North at all, even getting beaten out by the Tories in Paulsgrove and finishing third in Nelson and Copnor. So it's not all up to us, some of the leg work on being this bad has been done by Pompey Labour themselves but on balance, Labour would probably have been wiped out by now if the team leading campaigning in the city now hadn't come to the fore when they did. Though keeping it basically on life support isn't exactly a great acheivement. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 30, 2015 8:36:34 GMT
Yes, I'm much more worried about Portsmouth Labour's failure to lock down Nelson and Paulsgrove than anything else. A safe ward or two at least provides stability, even if everywhere else is a disaster area. Lacking that stability is only very slightly better than a total wipe-out, and at least the latter may sometimes (sometimes) lead to a clear-out of outdated ideas.
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Post by Yorkie on Sept 30, 2015 9:44:32 GMT
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Sept 30, 2015 11:03:44 GMT
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 30, 2015 11:46:33 GMT
I think that must be the Goole=Pocklington flight? |
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 1, 2015 0:30:39 GMT
Yes, I'm much more worried about Portsmouth Labour's failure to lock down Nelson and Paulsgrove than anything else. A safe ward or two at least provides stability, even if everywhere else is a disaster area. Lacking that stability is only very slightly better than a total wipe-out, and at least the latter may sometimes (sometimes) lead to a clear-out of outdated ideas. The problem being there was no-one else and in a way they were the new ideas and new blood (at least as far as winnable seats went). Anyway, I think any further necessary discussion should take place on the Pompey board (I'm sure there will be some!) as we've hijacked far too much of this thread... |
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 1, 2015 22:28:04 GMT
I think that must be the Goole=Pocklington flight? It's from Leeds International Airstrip to Leeds International Airstrip? Was that you under the dryers in Arnold Bennett Class? Seriously, there used to be an airline called Capital Airways, which called itself "Yorkshire's Airine" which I flew several times from Leeds-Bradford to Dublin, they flew Shorts Sheds, so the Air Doris didn't have to dispense refreshments just new sick bags. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 2, 2015 8:12:29 GMT
I think that must be the Goole=Pocklington flight? It's from Leeds International Airstrip to Leeds International Airstrip? Was that you under the dryers in Arnold Bennett Class? Seriously, there used to be an airline called Capital Airways, which called itself "Yorkshire's Airine" which I flew several times from Leeds-Bradford to Dublin, they flew Shorts Sheds, so the Air Doris didn't have to dispense refreshments just new sick bags. The Great Days. I remember Silver City Airways with the rickety front loader ferry from of all places Lydd. A oddly named place with an army training centre for special forces and an explosive works (Lyddite...a poor man's Semtex) in remote marshland, pre nuclear power station. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 2, 2015 16:00:02 GMT
It's from Leeds International Airstrip to Leeds International Airstrip? Was that you under the dryers in Arnold Bennett Class? Seriously, there used to be an airline called Capital Airways, which called itself "Yorkshire's Airine" which I flew several times from Leeds-Bradford to Dublin, they flew Shorts Sheds, so the Air Doris didn't have to dispense refreshments just new sick bags. The Great Days. I remember Silver City Airways with the rickety front loader ferry from of all places Lydd. A oddly named place with an army training centre for special forces and an explosive works (Lyddite...a poor man's Semtex) in remote marshland, pre nuclear power station. Isn't that the stuff that was used for trench foot? |
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Post by mrhell on Oct 4, 2015 19:33:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 19:53:48 GMT
Hmmm.... more likely to be Lord Sugar.. |
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