CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 29, 2024 19:01:04 GMT
You actually respond to none of the points I made. For your information, the candidates who carry the label Labour (outside of the SDLP) in the 6 counties tend to be clearly to the left of UK Labour. Hope so! SDLP needs to disappear... They are, Mike, but it will be a slow process. I would expect both Clare Hanna and Colm Eastwood to hold their seats, with much reduced majorities. |
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Post by carolus on May 29, 2024 19:11:20 GMT
Flintshire, Holywell East (2027). Ian Hodge, Independent to Non Aligned.
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Post by Merseymike on May 29, 2024 19:11:59 GMT
Hope so! SDLP needs to disappear... They are, Mike, but it will be a slow process. I would expect both Clare Hanna and Colm Eastwood to hold their seats, with much reduced majorities. Perhaps. Personally I would favour - Foyle (Sinn Fein) and Belfast South (Alliance) |
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Post by batman on May 29, 2024 19:28:24 GMT
The cognitive dissonance required to lead a Royal College whilst being a Republican and a nurse running for Sinn Fein in the Border Country, takes some chutzpah. Nonsense. She is from the north of Ireland, she comes from Co. Tyrone and she is a left wing trade unionist. Whether you like it or not, Sinn Fein is a left wing party - they are the biggest party. I'd vote Sinn Fein , far better than so-called 'Labour' Mike, Mike, Mike. We know you can't stand Starmer's leadership of the Labour Party. There really is no need to keep telling us. But using the formulation "so-called Labour" is plain silly. Let's take it from the top. The Labour Party includes the largest trades unions including Unite & Unison and plenty of others right down to the Musicians' Union. It is the party of the organised working class by formation and in actuality, whether or not you like its policies. Its continued links with trades unions have led to a fruitful negotiation leading to a deal which will protect & extend union rights. Criticise Labour all you like but it is still the party which trade unions wish, with not many exceptions, to affiliate to & be involved in. Being a Labour Party is much more fundamentally about its links with workers than about declaring that Israel has no right to exist, or that trans women are women. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 29, 2024 19:43:32 GMT
Nonsense. She is from the north of Ireland, she comes from Co. Tyrone and she is a left wing trade unionist. Whether you like it or not, Sinn Fein is a left wing party - they are the biggest party. I'd vote Sinn Fein , far better than so-called 'Labour' Mike, Mike, Mike. We know you can't stand Starmer's leadership of the Labour Party. There really is no need to keep telling us. But using the formulation "so-called Labour" is plain silly. Let's take it from the top. The Labour Party includes the largest trades unions including Unite & Unison and plenty of others right down to the Musicians' Union. It is the party of the organised working class by formation and in actuality, whether or not you like its policies. Its continued links with trades unions have led to a fruitful negotiation leading to a deal which will protect & extend union rights. Criticise Labour all you like but it is still the party which trade unions wish, with not many exceptions, to affiliate to & be involved in. Being a Labour Party is much more fundamentally about its links with workers than about declaring that Israel has no right to exist, or that trans women are women. Never been bothered - surely you know that I am not involved with the unions? I can't stand "workerism"....and you know I'm not interested about "Labourism". Left-wing socialism, sure, I believe a range of issues and are important....LGBT etc, support Palestinians, less defence, support abortion and voluntary euthanasia etc. But now, there is nothing much to Starmer's Labour. I'll decide on July 4th! |
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 29, 2024 19:57:10 GMT
Mike, Mike, Mike. We know you can't stand Starmer's leadership of the Labour Party. There really is no need to keep telling us. But using the formulation "so-called Labour" is plain silly. Let's take it from the top. The Labour Party includes the largest trades unions including Unite & Unison and plenty of others right down to the Musicians' Union. It is the party of the organised working class by formation and in actuality, whether or not you like its policies. Its continued links with trades unions have led to a fruitful negotiation leading to a deal which will protect & extend union rights. Criticise Labour all you like but it is still the party which trade unions wish, with not many exceptions, to affiliate to & be involved in. Being a Labour Party is much more fundamentally about its links with workers than about declaring that Israel has no right to exist, or that trans women are women. Never been bothered - surely you know that I am not involved with the unions? I can't stand "workerism"....and you know I'm not interested about "Labourism". Left-wing socialism, sure, I believe a range of issues and are important....LGBT etc, support Palestinians, less defence, support abortion and voluntary euthanasia etc. But now, there is nothing much to Starmer's Labour. Thus speaks the cardboard cutout lefty. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 29, 2024 20:12:04 GMT
Never been bothered - surely you know that I am not involved with the unions? I can't stand "workerism"....and you know I'm not interested about "Labourism". Left-wing socialism, sure, I believe a range of issues and are important....LGBT etc, support Palestinians, less defence, support abortion and voluntary euthanasia etc. But now, there is nothing much to Starmer's Labour. Thus speaks the cardboard cutout lefty. Sigh...and? My views are pretty much the same. |
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Post by greenchristian on May 29, 2024 20:35:55 GMT
Mike, Mike, Mike. We know you can't stand Starmer's leadership of the Labour Party. There really is no need to keep telling us. But using the formulation "so-called Labour" is plain silly. Let's take it from the top. The Labour Party includes the largest trades unions including Unite & Unison and plenty of others right down to the Musicians' Union. It is the party of the organised working class by formation and in actuality, whether or not you like its policies. Its continued links with trades unions have led to a fruitful negotiation leading to a deal which will protect & extend union rights. Criticise Labour all you like but it is still the party which trade unions wish, with not many exceptions, to affiliate to & be involved in. Being a Labour Party is much more fundamentally about its links with workers than about declaring that Israel has no right to exist, or that trans women are women. Never been bothered - surely you know that I am not involved with the unions? I can't stand "workerism"....and you know I'm not interested about "Labourism". Left-wing socialism, sure, I believe a range of issues and are important....LGBT etc, support Palestinians, less defence, support abortion and voluntary euthanasia etc. But now, there is nothing much to Starmer's Labour. I'll decide on July 4th! The only one of the things you list that is even remotely connected to socialism is less defence. Are you sure that your political ideology is actually socialist these days? |
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Post by Merseymike on May 29, 2024 20:40:45 GMT
Never been bothered - surely you know that I am not involved with the unions? I can't stand "workerism"....and you know I'm not interested about "Labourism". Left-wing socialism, sure, I believe a range of issues and are important....LGBT etc, support Palestinians, less defence, support abortion and voluntary euthanasia etc. But now, there is nothing much to Starmer's Labour. I'll decide on July 4th! The only one of the things you list that is even remotely connected to socialism is less defence. Are you sure that your political ideology is actually socialist these days? I have been around for a long time - these are important to me. |
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Post by batman on May 29, 2024 20:47:25 GMT
I do think that abortion rights are a class issue, to be fair, at least to some extent.
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Post by jamie on May 29, 2024 21:09:37 GMT
I do think that abortion rights are a class issue, to be fair, at least to some extent. Presumably not the old French Communist Party line in opposition? |
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Post by towerhamlets on May 29, 2024 21:22:34 GMT
It should have. The purpose of the peace process was not to eradicate the old symbols (this was completely unsuccessful) but to strip them of their terrible power by removing their connection to violence. Something like this is evidence that the process has worked, that nationalists (even those identifying with harder nationalism) no longer feel alienated from the state in the way that they did in the past and that the purpose of Sinn Féin is to pursue political goals through political means. |
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 29, 2024 22:13:58 GMT
Mike, Mike, Mike. We know you can't stand Starmer's leadership of the Labour Party. There really is no need to keep telling us. But using the formulation "so-called Labour" is plain silly. Let's take it from the top. The Labour Party includes the largest trades unions including Unite & Unison and plenty of others right down to the Musicians' Union. It is the party of the organised working class by formation and in actuality, whether or not you like its policies. Its continued links with trades unions have led to a fruitful negotiation leading to a deal which will protect & extend union rights. Criticise Labour all you like but it is still the party which trade unions wish, with not many exceptions, to affiliate to & be involved in. Being a Labour Party is much more fundamentally about its links with workers than about declaring that Israel has no right to exist, or that trans women are women. Never been bothered - surely you know that I am not involved with the unions? I can't stand "workerism"....and you know I'm not interested about "Labourism". Left-wing socialism, sure, I believe a range of issues and are important....LGBT etc, support Palestinians, less defence, support abortion and voluntary euthanasia etc. But now, there is nothing much to Starmer's Labour. I'll decide on July 4th! What you list are liberal issues, nothing to do with socialism. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 29, 2024 22:25:54 GMT
Never been bothered - surely you know that I am not involved with the unions? I can't stand "workerism"....and you know I'm not interested about "Labourism". Left-wing socialism, sure, I believe a range of issues and are important....LGBT etc, support Palestinians, less defence, support abortion and voluntary euthanasia etc. But now, there is nothing much to Starmer's Labour. I'll decide on July 4th! What you list are liberal issues, nothing to do with socialism. I have said what I think and believe, certainly some are important. You have very different views to me - I have been involved with those issues, some of them a long time. I am interested, say, education or health, as well. I don't talk about economics though! |
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Post by maxque on May 29, 2024 23:58:48 GMT
Nonsense. She is from the north of Ireland, she comes from Co. Tyrone and she is a left wing trade unionist. Whether you like it or not, Sinn Fein is a left wing party - they are the biggest party. I'd vote Sinn Fein , far better than so-called 'Labour' Mike, Mike, Mike. We know you can't stand Starmer's leadership of the Labour Party. There really is no need to keep telling us. But using the formulation "so-called Labour" is plain silly. Let's take it from the top. The Labour Party includes the largest trades unions including Unite & Unison and plenty of others right down to the Musicians' Union. It is the party of the organised working class by formation and in actuality, whether or not you like its policies. Its continued links with trades unions have led to a fruitful negotiation leading to a deal which will protect & extend union rights. Criticise Labour all you like but it is still the party which trade unions wish, with not many exceptions, to affiliate to & be involved in. Being a Labour Party is much more fundamentally about its links with workers than about declaring that Israel has no right to exist, or that trans women are women. Except the current leadership refuses to support the unions in any way, sacking any MP who attends a picket line. Union leaders are as representative of workers than Sunak is. Pay them an average retail worker wage (and work the same asocial hours) and then we will see. I'll suspect they'll all find other jobs. |
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Post by uthacalthing on May 30, 2024 4:31:31 GMT
The Labour Party includes the largest trades unions including Unite & Unison and plenty of others right down up to the Musicians' Union. FTFY |
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Post by batman on May 30, 2024 7:14:36 GMT
The Labour Party includes the largest trades unions including Unite & Unison and plenty of others right down up to the Musicians' Union. FTFY yes I know it is a very good and effective union - I have been a member - but of course I meant in terms of size of membership |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on May 30, 2024 7:36:33 GMT
Lazily checking various council websites to see if there are any vacancies or defections I could spot in the last few days before June, I noticed that I'm certain Lancashire now has an increase in non-party councillors. Currently listed as: *Independent Usman Arif (Burnley North East) Mohammed Iqbal MBE (Brierfield and Nelson West) Yousuf Motala (Preston City)
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Azhar Ali OBE (Nelson East)
Sobia Malik (Burnley Central East)
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Post by carolus on May 30, 2024 9:16:44 GMT
Colchester, Stanway (2027). Lesley Scott-Boutell, Liberal Democrat to Independent.
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Post by The Bishop on May 30, 2024 10:56:04 GMT
Lazily checking various council websites to see if there are any vacancies or defections I could spot in the last few days before June, I noticed that I'm certain Lancashire now has an increase in non-party councillors. Currently listed as: *Independent Usman Arif (Burnley North East) Mohammed Iqbal MBE (Brierfield and Nelson West) Yousuf Motala (Preston City)
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Azhar Ali OBE (Nelson East)
Sobia Malik (Burnley Central East)
I think all those have been covered previously? |
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