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Post by yellowperil on Sept 21, 2020 14:30:33 GMT
Surely SNP to Con in England would be even rarer?
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cogload
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Post by cogload on Sept 21, 2020 14:55:31 GMT
Boom tish indeed. Yes spot the mistake...
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 21, 2020 15:01:01 GMT
Surely SNP to Con in England would be even rarer? Wasn't there an SDP defection recently somewhere?
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Post by MacShimidh on Sept 22, 2020 17:39:04 GMT
More SNP infighting in the Highlands, as three councillors quit the party apparently because the SNP reinstated Ron MacWilliam and Kirsteen Currie last week. The three of them are now non-aligned, although they are going to form the ridiculously-named bloc "Independents for Independence." Liz MacDonald (Nairn and Cawdor) SNP -> Non-aligned Pauline Munro (Cromarty Firth) SNP -> Non-aligned Maxine Smith (Cromarty Firth) SNP -> Non-aligned Smith was the co-leader of the SNP group, and MacDonald was the longest-serving SNP councillor in the Highlands, so this is a pretty big shake-up.
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 22, 2020 17:59:06 GMT
More SNP infighting in the Highlands, as three councillors quit the party apparently because the SNP reinstated Ron MacWilliam and Kirsteen Currie last week. The three of them are now non-aligned, although they are going to form the ridiculously-named bloc "Independents for Independence." Liz MacDonald (Nairn and Cawdor) SNP -> Non-aligned Pauline Munro (Cromarty Firth) SNP -> Non-aligned Maxine Smith (Cromarty Firth) SNP -> Non-aligned Smith was the co-leader of the SNP group, and MacDonald was the longest-serving SNP councillor in the Highlands, so this is a pretty big shake-up. remind us what MacWilliam and Currie had been 'excluded' for?
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Post by MacShimidh on Sept 22, 2020 18:15:48 GMT
More SNP infighting in the Highlands, as three councillors quit the party apparently because the SNP reinstated Ron MacWilliam and Kirsteen Currie last week. The three of them are now non-aligned, although they are going to form the ridiculously-named bloc "Independents for Independence." Liz MacDonald (Nairn and Cawdor) SNP -> Non-aligned Pauline Munro (Cromarty Firth) SNP -> Non-aligned Maxine Smith (Cromarty Firth) SNP -> Non-aligned Smith was the co-leader of the SNP group, and MacDonald was the longest-serving SNP councillor in the Highlands, so this is a pretty big shake-up. remind us what MacWilliam and Currie had been 'excluded' for? According to the local papers MacWilliam was suspended for criticising the Scottish Government's approach to the virus (not clear if he thought it went too far or not far enough), and nobody seems to know why Currie had been excluded! The Highland Nats have kept their cards very close to their chest on this. Apparently the decision to reinstate them came from SNP HQ rather than the Highland group which has ruffled the feathers of "Independents for Independence."
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Sept 22, 2020 19:10:33 GMT
There really seems to be an issue with SNP HQ among many elected members and activists. It is hard to push the Scottish Labour and Scottish Conservatives are run from London theme when SNP HQ are so heavy-handed and centralised. I am not making a dig, I am just baffled by it.
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 22, 2020 19:23:50 GMT
There really seems to be an issue with SNP HQ among many elected members and activists. It is hard to push the Scottish Labour and Scottish Conservatives are run from London theme when SNP HQ are so heavy-handed and centralised. I am not making a dig, I am just baffled by it. All parties have an HQ that slaps down local branches etc, it's just that the SNP try to pretend that they don't.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Sept 22, 2020 19:31:49 GMT
There really seems to be an issue with SNP HQ among many elected members and activists. It is hard to push the Scottish Labour and Scottish Conservatives are run from London theme when SNP HQ are so heavy-handed and centralised. I am not making a dig, I am just baffled by it. I can't comment on whether this is true, but I wouldn't find it surprising. So often the dislike is for overweening control by someone else, but absolute control by "people like us" is fine. It's also the case that while the UK as a whole has a problem with balance between London/SE and the rest (28.1% of the UK population in 2019) that is minor compared to the Central Belt (c44% of Scottish population in 2018) and I think these regional imbalances tend to feed through to a centralised approach to politics
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 23, 2020 0:20:14 GMT
There really seems to be an issue with SNP HQ among many elected members and activists. It is hard to push the Scottish Labour and Scottish Conservatives are run from London theme when SNP HQ are so heavy-handed and centralised. I am not making a dig, I am just baffled by it. I'm not sure why you're surprised, the SNP are the great Scottish centralisers, regional variation is actively discouraged and the big public services are now controlled almost entirely from Edinburgh (NHS, Police, Fire). That's one of the pernicious characteristics of nationalism, the homogeneous whole has to be promoted at the expense of regional variation.
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Post by tucson on Sept 23, 2020 18:20:37 GMT
Newcastle under Lyme BC Borough Ind Group splits in two, Madeley Ward Cllrs (Ex LD to Lab to BI) form a new Borough Ind Group, with their ex leader (former LD to Lab to Con supporting BI) forming a new Newcastle Ind Group along with the former UKIP group leader.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 23, 2020 19:35:28 GMT
Newcastle under Lyme BC Borough Ind Group splits in two, Madeley Ward Cllrs (Ex LD to Lab to BI) form a new Borough Ind Group, with their ex leader (former LD to Lab to Con supporting BI) forming a new Newcastle Ind Group along with the former UKIP group leader. Are you sure about the political journey of the Madeley councillors? I recall one of them being elected at a by-election as an Independent. (Of course, he may have been a councillor previously.)
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Post by tucson on Sept 23, 2020 20:05:10 GMT
Simon White was elected as an LD at a by-election. He subsequently defected to Lab, then to Ind then to Borough Ind. Gary White (Simon’s husband) was a member of the LDs and the Cons at the same time! He stood as an Ind and was elected joining the BoroughInd Group.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 23, 2020 20:28:24 GMT
Simon White was elected as an LD at a by-election. He subsequently defected to Lab, then to Ind then to Borough Ind. Gary White (Simon’s husband) was a member of the LDs and the Cons at the same time! He stood as an Ind and was elected joining the BoroughInd Group. Ah, thank you. So Gary was a party member but never a party councillor?
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Post by tucson on Sept 23, 2020 20:38:46 GMT
I believe that to be correct
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timmullen1
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 23, 2020 20:58:12 GMT
Newcastle under Lyme BC Borough Ind Group splits in two, Madeley Ward Cllrs (Ex LD to Lab to BI) form a new Borough Ind Group, with their ex leader (former LD to Lab to Con supporting BI) forming a new Newcastle Ind Group along with the former UKIP group leader. Actually a reversion, less a couple of members who weren’t re-elected, to the situation prior to the 2019 elections. Might also be interesting as, as a bloc of four, the BIG held the balance of power with the two LDs abstaining on the. Leadership vote. If the BIG two were to switch, possibly because Labour have just had a leadership change, you then have a tie with the LDs holding the balance of power.
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Post by casualobserver on Sept 24, 2020 10:52:30 GMT
Newcastle under Lyme BC Borough Ind Group splits in two, Madeley Ward Cllrs (Ex LD to Lab to BI) form a new Borough Ind Group, with their ex leader (former LD to Lab to Con supporting BI) forming a new Newcastle Ind Group along with the former UKIP group leader. Actually a reversion, less a couple of members who weren’t re-elected, to the situation prior to the 2019 elections. Might also be interesting as, as a bloc of four, the BIG held the balance of power with the two LDs abstaining on the. Leadership vote. If the BIG two were to switch, possibly because Labour have just had a leadership change, you then have a tie with the LDs holding the balance of power. Is Newcastle under Lyme becoming the new Stoke on Trent, duck?
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 24, 2020 11:23:21 GMT
Dunno, chuck.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 24, 2020 13:06:52 GMT
Actually a reversion, less a couple of members who weren’t re-elected, to the situation prior to the 2019 elections. Might also be interesting as, as a bloc of four, the BIG held the balance of power with the two LDs abstaining on the. Leadership vote. If the BIG two were to switch, possibly because Labour have just had a leadership change, you then have a tie with the LDs holding the balance of power. Is Newcastle under Lyme becoming the new Stoke on Trent, duck? Looks like it shug. (Curiously enough, I've just e-mailed the two Cllrs White.)
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Post by johnloony on Sept 24, 2020 23:45:19 GMT
Surely SNP to Con in England would be even rarer? Conservative to DUP in England would be rarer
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