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Post by johnloony on Jul 11, 2019 13:58:41 GMT
One of the Conservative councillors in my ward defected from Conservative to Labour, then from Labour to Conservative, then from Conservative to Independent. Then she applied to join Labour again, but they told her to go away. Then she joined the Lib Dems. Her defection meant that the Lib Dems on Croydon Council were 2 instead of 1, so they could form a group. At the next Council meeting, when the formation of a Lib Dem group was officially announced, there was a big cheer from the two main parties for the popular long-term Lib Dem councillor, and a big groan for the defector. This all happened within one 4-year term.
Another councillor defected from Labour to Conservative. He is still active in the Conservative Party, but he is no longer a councillor. I have heard two different accounts of why he defected, but neither version was flattering and both versions were more about personal character than about politics.
My own defection from OMRLP to Conservative was the end of a long process of gradual drifting and adjustment in my own political views (essentially, gradually shifting from centre-left to centre-right) and was more widely accepted by most local politicians of all parties.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 11, 2019 14:18:18 GMT
johnloony - did you regard loonyism as a serious political stance at the time, reflecting your views, or did you feel as you moved towards the centre-right that you would prefer to be part of a mainstream party?
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Post by johnloony on Jul 11, 2019 15:58:20 GMT
johnloony - did you regard loonyism as a serious political stance at the time, reflecting your views, or did you feel as you moved towards the centre-right that you would prefer to be part of a mainstream party? I have always been a serious politician, and being in the OMRLP was suitable for me then as a de-facto floating voter (I voted for lots of other parties when I wasn't voting for myself). In the OMRLP it's almost as if each member and each candidate is an independent, with their own individual views, but the advantage is that it gets more publicity and coverage. Joining the Conservative Party was the logical end-point of a long-term process whereby I was gradually more and more comfortable with the idea of voting Conservative consistently, and realising that I was less and less likely ever to want to vote Labour again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 17:44:22 GMT
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 11, 2019 18:16:10 GMT
To be fair, when she defected from the Labour Party to the Liberal Democrats in January how could she have known that we would become an anti-Brexit party?
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Post by andrea on Jul 15, 2019 13:07:54 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 15, 2019 13:08:44 GMT
Islington: Gary Poole (St Mary's ward) leaves the Labour Party.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 15, 2019 13:36:30 GMT
A Watson supporter resigns. More please.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 15, 2019 13:38:27 GMT
You will not rest until you have driven out every other member in your crusade to widen support for the party.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 15, 2019 13:42:53 GMT
You will not rest until you have driven out every other member in your crusade to widen support for the party. Oh, the vast majority of members have no problem with the party. We can be a more coherent and united party without those who agree with the sentiments in this letter.
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Post by peterl on Jul 15, 2019 14:27:39 GMT
What you clearly need is to drive out the anti-semites. Then the tide of resignations will cease and Labour might have a chance of being seen as a credible party again.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 15, 2019 14:48:39 GMT
What you clearly need is to drive out the anti-semites. Then the tide of resignations will cease and Labour might have a chance of being seen as a credible party again. It is down to definition, though. For people who think anyone who criticises Israel is an anti-semite, then they will never be satisfied. The position of the party leadership on israel is one i support, and if some think that position is anti-semitic, then its something they will have to live with and decide on that basis whether they intend to vote for us or not
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Post by jamie on Jul 15, 2019 15:40:20 GMT
It is down to definition, though. For people who think anyone who criticises Israel is an anti-semite, then they will never be satisfied. The position of the party leadership on israel is one i support, and if some think that position is anti-semitic, then its something they will have to live with and decide on that basis whether they intend to vote for us or not The problem is that you see all anti-semitism through the prism of being anti-Israel. The last week of discussion of anti-semitism has never to my knowledge mentioned Israel. Israel is barely even mentioned with regards to Labour’s anti-semitism scandal apart from the ‘it isn’t anti-semitic to criticise Israel’ strawmen. Israel is mostly mentioned by those defending anti-semitism.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 15, 2019 15:45:32 GMT
It is down to definition, though. For people who think anyone who criticises Israel is an anti-semite, then they will never be satisfied. The position of the party leadership on israel is one i support, and if some think that position is anti-semitic, then its something they will have to live with and decide on that basis whether they intend to vote for us or not The problem is that you see all anti-semitism through the prism of being anti-Israel. The last week of discussion of anti-semitism has never to my knowledge mentioned Israel. Israel is barely even mentioned with regards to Labour’s anti-semitism scandal apart from the ‘it isn’t anti-semitic to criticise Israel’ strawmen. Israel is mostly mentioned by those defending anti-semitism. Because I think there is very little anti-semitism....
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jul 16, 2019 14:20:03 GMT
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Post by dizz on Jul 16, 2019 18:48:00 GMT
Islington: Gary Poole (St Mary's ward) leaves the Labour Party. BBC were erroneously referring to him as being a councillor in JC's constituency when the ward is in Islington South. This must be a case where Lab are hoping that there is no by-election other than at the same time as the GLA/Mayoral elections...
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Post by Rutlander on Jul 16, 2019 19:06:17 GMT
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Post by torremark on Jul 16, 2019 19:22:04 GMT
So what do the TBP Ltd constituency party think about that? Is there one if so who put it in place they have no members they have no internal democracy and they have no policies. What policy platform are they going to stand on to improve the lives of their constituents I’d Derby?
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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 16, 2019 20:13:38 GMT
Of all the criticisms of the Brexit Party, the fact that they're registered as a limited company is one of the silliest. Parties do this for operational purposes; it's no big deal. Here's another example of a party that's registered as a limited company: THE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS LIMITEDCompany number 02231620
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Post by peterl on Jul 16, 2019 21:38:03 GMT
The defections in Derby represent a loss to UKIP of almost 10% of their remaining principle authority councillors. There are now just 57 left.
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