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Post by redtony on Dec 13, 2018 11:28:59 GMT
That is what happens when you have an election on a Wednesday. By the way what was the turn out?
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 13, 2018 12:32:28 GMT
That is what happens when you have an election on a Wednesday. By the way what was the turn out? 38% according to the council website, so borderline respectable. |
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 13, 2018 12:34:13 GMT
LibDems came within 6 votes of winning this in 2015, they now secured less votes than that overall. Must be some sort of record.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Dec 13, 2018 12:53:29 GMT
LibDems came within 6 votes of winning this in 2015, they now secured less votes than that overall. Must be some sort of record. I suspect that *that* can be explained by not campaigning at all. Why, however, is another question. |
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Post by iain on Dec 13, 2018 13:01:44 GMT
LibDems came within 6 votes of winning this in 2015, they now secured less votes than that overall. Must be some sort of record. I suspect that *that* can be explained by not campaigning at all. Why, however, is another question. Because the Ashfield Independents are our old local party. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Dec 13, 2018 13:04:18 GMT
I suspect that *that* can be explained by not campaigning at all. Why, however, is another question. Because the Ashfield Independents are our old local party. Not entirely. The departing councillor had defected from Labour. But I'd be intrigued to see whether we're attempting some sort of rapprochement or reconciliation with Jazon Zadrozny, and if so then not campaigning in favour of our own candidate would make sense, kind of. |
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Post by mboy on Dec 13, 2018 13:22:25 GMT
There's absolutely no incentive for Zadrozny to accept any rapprochement with a party that both stabbed him in the back and also would be a negative weight on his votes. If he plays it smart from here he can hold Ashfield council for a long time, no matter what happens to the Lib Dems nationally. If the local Lib Dems have any sense they should just work unofficially for him.
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Post by mboy on Dec 13, 2018 13:24:27 GMT
This gives in percentage terms: Ashfield Independents 81.9% Labour 9.3% Conservative 4.6% Democrats & Veterans 2.5% UKIP 1.2% Liberal Democrats 0.5% Lol. Would have loved to have been a box-counter there  (though not a Lib Dem one, obvs) |
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 13, 2018 13:26:17 GMT
Because the Ashfield Independents are our old local party. Not entirely. The departing councillor had defected from Labour. But I'd be intrigued to see whether we're attempting some sort of rapprochement or reconciliation with Jazon Zadrozny, and if so then not campaigning in favour of our own candidate would make sense, kind of. I suspect that while you may need him, he doesn't need you anymore. |
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Post by mboy on Dec 13, 2018 13:27:56 GMT
He's probably got this playing in his Council Leader office:
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 13, 2018 13:34:12 GMT
This gives in percentage terms: Ashfield Independents 81.9% Labour 9.3% Conservative 4.6% Democrats & Veterans 2.5% UKIP 1.2% Liberal Democrats 0.5% Lol. Would have loved to have been a box-counter there (though not a Lib Dem one, obvs) They could still have counted boxes. Just not any votes.  |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Dec 13, 2018 13:35:57 GMT
Not entirely. The departing councillor had defected from Labour. But I'd be intrigued to see whether we're attempting some sort of rapprochement or reconciliation with Jazon Zadrozny, and if so then not campaigning in favour of our own candidate would make sense, kind of. I suspect that while you may need him, he doesn't need you anymore. He may be content to be the big fish in the small pool, I suppose. |
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Post by yellowperil on Dec 13, 2018 13:44:07 GMT
What I cannot understand is putting up a candidate at all if you are going to un-campaign to that degree. It might have attracted the mere suggestion of a negative comment not to field a candidate here, but nothing like the degree of negativity of a candidate failing to get even the names on his nomination form to actually vote for him.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Dec 13, 2018 13:47:00 GMT
What I cannot understand is putting up a candidate at all if you are going to un-campaign to that degree. It might have attracted the mere suggestion of a negative comment not to field a candidate here, but nothing like the degree of negativity of a candidate failing to get even the names on his nomination form to actually vote for him. Which is why I hope that there is more to this than meets the eye. |
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Post by yellowperil on Dec 13, 2018 13:56:43 GMT
What I cannot understand is putting up a candidate at all if you are going to un-campaign to that degree. It might have attracted the mere suggestion of a negative comment not to field a candidate here, but nothing like the degree of negativity of a candidate failing to get even the names on his nomination form to actually vote for him. Which is why I hope that there is more to this than meets the eye. I suppose if the Lib Dem team fielded a candidate and then used that as bargaining counter to get some sort of agreement with AI , that makes some sort of sense, and I suppose you might in those circumstances leave the candidate in place just in case, rather than withdrawing before the deadline, I could understand that, and if that's what happened presumably the agreement held firm. Interesting! |
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Post by froome on Dec 13, 2018 14:13:28 GMT
Did everyone else just forget to campaign or something? I think such a result can't be just explained by "not campaigning", tbh. Have the other parties locally been engaged in a collective mass kitten slaughtering or something?? Seriously, WTF! Maybe they all put on their leaflets "Don't forget to vote this Thursday." |
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Post by maxque on Dec 13, 2018 17:10:25 GMT
What I cannot understand is putting up a candidate at all if you are going to un-campaign to that degree. It might have attracted the mere suggestion of a negative comment not to field a candidate here, but nothing like the degree of negativity of a candidate failing to get even the names on his nomination form to actually vote for him. I think there is just nobody out there to campaign. I suspect almost the totality of the campaigners joined Zadrozny. |
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Post by tonyhill on Dec 13, 2018 17:17:30 GMT
Tony Otim has Millington as the Liberal democrat candidate in Harlow, while Andrew Teale has him as a Green - which is correct?
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Post by andrewp on Dec 13, 2018 17:18:55 GMT
Tony Otim has Millington as the Liberal democrat candidate in Harlow, while Andrew Teale has him as a Green - which is correct? Liberal Democrat |
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Post by Tony Otim on Dec 13, 2018 17:19:57 GMT
Tony Otim has Millington as the Liberal democrat candidate in Harlow, while Andrew Teale has him as a Green - which is correct? Both Harlow website and SOPN say Liberal Democrat... |
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(though not a Lib Dem one, obvs)
