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Post by cogload on Nov 4, 2018 10:23:30 GMT
Counting is underway in the New Caledonia referendum on independence. If those who wish to leave the mother country fail on this occasion there could be two other attempts in 2020 and 2023.
Currently the Non's lead 58/42 with about 3 departments to announce. Some stonking majorities on both sides and a country which is split down the middle by vote.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 4, 2018 11:04:51 GMT
Result is no surprise, but isn't this a bit closer than previous referendums?
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 4, 2018 11:47:41 GMT
Counting is underway in the New Caledonia referendum on independence. If those who wish to leave the mother country fail on this occasion there could be two other attempts in 2020 and 2023. Currently the Non's lead 58/42 with about 3 departments to announce. Some stonking majorities on both sides and a country which is split down the middle by vote. At last we have confirmation. For five years on this Forum I have waited for this moment in trepidation and with bated breath, hoping against hope to hear that long expected clarion call..... "Counting is underway in New Caledonia..." Let joy be unconfined. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 12:21:28 GMT
I know nothing of the issues involved here so please pardon my ignorance, but can someone tell me why they are talking of the possibility of TWO other independence referendums in the near future, and why this is possible?
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 4, 2018 12:33:04 GMT
Result is no surprise, but isn't this a bit closer than previous referendums? The 1987 referendum was something like 98% against and 2% in favour, but it was subject to a widespread boycott by those who wanted independence, so isn't really comparable. |
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Post by seanf on Nov 4, 2018 12:41:16 GMT
Counting is underway in the New Caledonia referendum on independence. If those who wish to leave the mother country fail on this occasion there could be two other attempts in 2020 and 2023. Currently the Non's lead 58/42 with about 3 departments to announce. Some stonking majorities on both sides and a country which is split down the middle by vote. Would that be Kanaks voting 95% for independence, and the rest voting 95% against, or is it more mixed? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 12:54:56 GMT
Counting is underway in the New Caledonia referendum on independence. If those who wish to leave the mother country fail on this occasion there could be two other attempts in 2020 and 2023. Currently the Non's lead 58/42 with about 3 departments to announce. Some stonking majorities on both sides and a country which is split down the middle by vote. 77.5% yes in the North province, 74.1% no in the south, 80.5% no in Nouméa, 82.2% yes in Province des îles. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 12:57:13 GMT
Counting is underway in the New Caledonia referendum on independence. If those who wish to leave the mother country fail on this occasion there could be two other attempts in 2020 and 2023. Currently the Non's lead 58/42 with about 3 departments to announce. Some stonking majorities on both sides and a country which is split down the middle by vote. Would that be Kanaks voting 95% for independence, and the rest voting 95% against, or is it more mixed? From the look of the results, yes. Perhaps not 95%, but it can't be far off. Maybe 80-85% on each side. |
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Nov 4, 2018 13:36:30 GMT
Yeah, the vote pattern is unsurprising Ethnic.
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Post by maxque on Nov 4, 2018 14:02:23 GMT
I know nothing of the issues involved here so please pardon my ignorance, but can someone tell me why they are talking of the possibility of TWO other independence referendums in the near future, and why this is possible? The Nouméa Agreement (to stop the long-standing violent conflicts between local inhabitants and French incomers, culminating in Ouvéa Massacre, where 4 police officers and 19 native inhabitants died), signed in 1998, said there would be 3 referendums, the first one 16 to 20 years after. It's a lot like Northern Ireland, in fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 15:37:15 GMT
Votes in favour: 61,200
Votes against: 79,167
Invalid votes: 0
Turnout: 140,367 (80.6%)
I'm not sure how final these results are, but I don't imagine they'll change much, if at all.
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Post by greatkingrat on Nov 4, 2018 15:50:47 GMT
I know nothing of the issues involved here so please pardon my ignorance, but can someone tell me why they are talking of the possibility of TWO other independence referendums in the near future, and why this is possible? Because this is just a pretend vote, and 2020 will be the real "People's Vote". |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 4, 2018 15:54:20 GMT
I know nothing of the issues involved here so please pardon my ignorance, but can someone tell me why they are talking of the possibility of TWO other independence referendums in the near future, and why this is possible? Because this is just a pretend vote, and 2020 will be the real "People's Vote". best of three? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 4, 2018 19:15:29 GMT
Yeah, the vote pattern is unsurprising Ethnic. Worth pointing out the ethnic differences between the 'Metros' and the 'Caldoches' who have been there for generations. |
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Post by John Chanin on Nov 4, 2018 19:45:07 GMT
New Caledonia was named by James Cook of course, who gave English names to all of the large number of places he visited on his voyages. What is more interesting is why the name stuck. Why is there no Melanesian name? Why didn't Napoleon rename it New Corsica (or something)? I mean it's been a French colony for centuries.
PS: It's not relevant to this thread, but why is there a New Ireland in the Bismarck archaepelago?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 4, 2018 21:43:27 GMT
New Caledonia was named by James Cook of course, who gave English names to all of the large number of places he visited on his voyages. What is more interesting is why the name stuck. Why is there no Melanesian name? Why didn't Napoleon rename it New Corsica (or something)? I mean it's been a French colony for centuries. PS: It's not relevant to this thread, but why is there a New Ireland in the Bismarck archaepelago? It was originally New Mecklenburg. Not sure what the connection is there though, as Bismarck went to university at Greifswald but otherwise had no other connection to that part of Germany. Presumably it's to do with a colonist. |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 4, 2018 21:52:11 GMT
New Caledonia was named by James Cook of course, who gave English names to all of the large number of places he visited on his voyages. What is more interesting is why the name stuck. Why is there no Melanesian name? Why didn't Napoleon rename it New Corsica (or something)? I mean it's been a French colony for centuries. PS: It's not relevant to this thread, but why is there a New Ireland in the Bismarck archaepelago? It was originally New Mecklenburg. Not sure what the connection is there though, as Bismarck went to university at Greifswald but otherwise had no other connection to that part of Germany. Presumably it's to do with a colonist. Do we have a hard border with New Ireland? |
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Post by Party Fears Two on Nov 4, 2018 23:32:45 GMT
I find it troubling that the indigenous Kanaks tend to be the poor of this territory, and are a minority of some 40% of the population.....and France, with the 60% of its population of mostly French origins, finds the island useful with its resources....where the benefits stay with the colonist population and France.
No wonder the Kanaks are peeved. I think this stinks.
Macron's triumphalist speech on how much New Caledonia wants to stay in France rings hollow- It's because it's been invaded and taken over by the French to milk, that's all, irrespective of Metros and Caldoches.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 23:34:37 GMT
I find it troubling that the indigenous Kanaks tend to be the poor of this territory, and are a minority of some 40% of the population.....and France, with the 60% of its population of mostly French origins, finds the island useful with its resources....where the benefits stay with the colonist population and France. No wonder the Kanaks are peeved. I think this stinks. Macron's triumphalist speech on how much New Caledonia wants to stay in France rings hollow- It's because it's been invaded and taken over by the French to milk, that's all, irrespective of Metros and Caldoches. The New Caledonians do want to remain part of France. It's mostly the Kanaks who don't. If independence had been offered on a province-by-province basis, it could have been more interesting. |
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Post by Toylyyev on Nov 5, 2018 5:03:29 GMT
It was originally New Mecklenburg. Not sure what the connection is there though, as Bismarck went to university at Greifswald but otherwise had no other connection to that part of Germany. Presumably it's to do with a colonist. Do we have a hard border with New Ireland? Then there is this from the German Wikipedia: Kuot is a language isolate with mainly agglutinative morphology. Similarly to Irish or Welsh its syntax has a VSO typology... |
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