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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 10:47:19 GMT
Not surprising, having visited some years the south around Noumea was very much 1950s France while the north .... wasn't .... a lot more Kanak. To get from one to the other I had to go through Les Grands Tetons, which is always fun  |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 5, 2020 11:23:30 GMT
Its a swing towards independence compared with the last vote, though - likely a question of when rather than if.
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 5, 2020 13:23:05 GMT
Its a swing towards independence compared with the last vote, though - likely a question of when rather than if. 3 pt swing, slightly lower in the Kanak parts. 4 pt turnout increase - the raw number of no votes is up slightly. Hard to see them actually winning the third vote. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 5, 2020 15:50:08 GMT
Its a swing towards independence compared with the last vote, though - likely a question of when rather than if. 3 pt swing, slightly lower in the Kanak parts. 4 pt turnout increase - the raw number of no votes is up slightly. Hard to see them actually winning the third vote. With the same swing YES would win next time; but last time some Kanaks didn't turn out, so they have probably maxed out their present-day potential. If a - with this trend likely - fourth/fifth/... referendum will be held a lot later, changing demoGraphics (and a good economical situation) might enable independence. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 5, 2020 16:40:42 GMT
3 pt swing, slightly lower in the Kanak parts. 4 pt turnout increase - the raw number of no votes is up slightly. Hard to see them actually winning the third vote. With the same swing YES would win next time; but last time some Kanaks didn't turn out, so they have probably maxed out their present-day potential. If a - with this trend likely - fourth/fifth/... referendum will be held a lot later, changing demoGraphics (and a good economical situation) might enable independence. up to 3 referenda were agreed in the Nouméa accords though if I'm not mistaken (very possible). |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 5, 2020 17:00:49 GMT
With the same swing YES would win next time; but last time some Kanaks didn't turn out, so they have probably maxed out their present-day potential. If a - with this trend likely - fourth/fifth/... referendum will be held a lot later, changing demoGraphics (and a good economical situation) might enable independence. up to 3 referenda were agreed in the Nouméa accords though if I'm not mistaken (very possible). Yes, but unless the third will see a reduced YES-% the nationalists will inevitably push for further ones. |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 5, 2020 20:05:34 GMT
Because this is just a pretend vote, and 2020 will be the real "People's Vote". Loyalty Islands Province
Yes 13,776 84.27% No 2,571 15.73%
So much for loyauté!  |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 6, 2020 10:30:46 GMT
Well yes, that thought did occur to me  And of course, its New CALEDONIA - geddit? |
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Post by cogload on Dec 12, 2021 12:32:03 GMT
They have had another attempt and:
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 12, 2021 13:25:04 GMT
They have had another attempt and: Have they demanded a recount? |
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 12, 2021 13:30:24 GMT
Given the numbers who voted there's clearly a mandate for independence and no doubt there will be petitions for new votes, annoying court cases, endless whining, marches and pointless videos by Femi.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 12, 2021 14:11:44 GMT
2018:  2020:  CorRelation proIndep. & Canaks:  |
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Post by relique on Dec 12, 2021 16:28:04 GMT
The independance leaders, knowing they would once again lose, have boycotted.
Given that everyone knew the no would win, 40% participation is quite high.
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Post by peterl on Dec 12, 2021 17:12:07 GMT
They have had another attempt and: Have they demanded a recount? C'est une course d'un cheval! Oui, je ne peux pas gagner ici! |
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 18, 2021 3:10:28 GMT
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 18, 2021 11:47:19 GMT
Have they demanded a recount? C'est une course d'un cheval! Oui, je ne peux pas gagner ici! Well that was an interesting map |
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