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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 18:36:33 GMT
Have you got something mixed up here or have I missed something.
Why are you mentioning Newcastle, Ukip never really challenged there and even in 2010 when we came to losing a safe seat UKIP were nowhere.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 2, 2012 18:37:33 GMT
You've missed something
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 18:38:48 GMT
enlighten me, just wondering as I worked there for 18 months or so but that was a decade ago so maybe something happened.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 2, 2012 18:43:30 GMT
Enlighten yourself by looking at other results besides the 2010 general election
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 18:51:07 GMT
well the other GE's gave me no clue so I am guessing you refer to council elections
in 2007 and 2008 some small gains ...
but the base was never there for sustained push
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Post by Richard Allen on Dec 2, 2012 18:55:50 GMT
well the other GE's gave me no clue so I am guessing you refer to council elections in 2007 and 2008 some small gains ... but the base was never there for sustained push At one point we had 5 members of Newcastle Borough council and 3 Staffordshire county councillors from Newcastle. It was our strongest local government base, we had a an excellent branch who campaigned primarily on local matters and put up a full slate of candidates each year. It was something that could have been built on. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 19:36:27 GMT
and I am guessing something happened internally ...
Interesting that you must have won Labour votes there
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Post by Richard Allen on Dec 2, 2012 19:56:19 GMT
and I am guessing something happened internally ... Interesting that you must have won Labour votes there The Branch Chairman (and 2010 GE candidate) Cllr David Nixon resigned after a number of disagreements with the party leadership. He was absolutely incensed by Lord Pearson's campaigning for Tory candidates in 2010 as he felt this shattered UKIP's credibility among former Labour voters in Newcastle (Nixon was actually a former Tory) and more recently was bitterly opposed to the passing of Party's new constitution. At the time when he went I was told by some people in the region that this was a positive move and that the branch would thrive without him. That delusion was shattered this May when only 8 of the 20 wards were contested and our vote was badly down. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 20:06:51 GMT
I do think Richard has we have discussed before that to progress as a national party you have to stop thinking Tory voters only. I know some do including you but there is only limited scope for being the Tory dissension vote.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 21:43:43 GMT
and Richard I do not think leaflets like this do you any good
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 21:44:08 GMT
and yes I would say the same about Labour, the Woolas one for example.
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Post by tonygreaves on Dec 2, 2012 22:21:42 GMT
Agreed.
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Post by Richard Allen on Dec 3, 2012 0:42:34 GMT
and Richard I do not think leaflets like this do you any good /photo/1 Not only do I not think that this leaflet does us any good but I am actually disgusted by it. I am told that it was an official UKIP leaflet and as such there was an imprint on the reverse. I do not know what that imprint says but if I ever find out I will happily denounce who ever was the person who "published" and / or "promoted" it. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 3, 2012 2:49:41 GMT
Whats wrong with it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 12:59:11 GMT
the BNP could have wrote it
Linking the fostering case with Labour is wrong as no politician of any colour makes individual decisions
It panders to a certain element amongst voters
It has no detail about UKIP policy
I would never allow a leaflet to put out in my name with that at all. There is genuine political knock about stuff then this
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 3, 2012 18:05:49 GMT
Linking the fostering case with Labour is wrong as no politician of any colour makes individual decisions They don't make individual decisions of these kinds but they create the kind of climate where this kind of decision is made It panders to a certain element amongst voters Terrible - it seeks to appeal to a section of the electorate. That must go totally against the spirit of what election leaflets are for. What has the world come to when political parties go around trying to appeal to voters?? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 18:10:10 GMT
fine, you are happy for your party to send out a pseudo racist leaflet that is factually wrong. You wonder why people call UKIP BNP lite ?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 3, 2012 18:12:01 GMT
I'm happy for them to put out a leaflet that you don't like. You aren't the target market. I don't like the shit Labour put in their leaflets either but I'm never going to vote for them so I don't worry about it and you/they don't need to either
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 18:22:59 GMT
so when Woolas put his out you think it was wrong he was forced out then ??
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 3, 2012 18:34:25 GMT
From what I recall of those leaflets I don't think they are comparable, not least there were specific allegations made against the LD candidate there whereas these are just attacking an opposing party, but in any case I wasn't particularly happy that Woolas was forced out - I'm pretty sure at the time I took the same line as David Boothroyd and felt the electorate were intelligent enough to make up their own mind (and had done so in electing Woolas)
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